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Re:Both in rich and poor countries, universal health care br... by conanbatt on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @11:14AM (#16977666)
> A person ought not face financial ruin.

The logical consequence of this is that any cost must be paid. And if the person cant pay it someone else does. So if someone gets a rare cancer whose treatment has 1% effectiveness and costs millions, it should be paid by someone else.

The principle is wishful thinking, not economics. We as people every day make trades of our life for money. We pick a means of transportation riskier than other to save some money, we choose to use a bike to be physically healthier in the long run but expose to short term risks. We eat those cheese french friends with a beer, or smoke. Etc etc.

We are no strangers to paying our pleasures with our life.

- It is the tendency of all men to magnify their own services and to disparage services rendered them, and private matters would be poorly regulated if there was not some standard of value. This guarantee we have not (or we hardly have it), in public affairs.

Americans often believe that universal healthcare is this pristine ideal that will solve everything, but thats because you haven't analyzed the consequences of it and its real life consequences.

The problem of healthcare in the us is not public-vs-private, its the extreme regulatory environment.

Re:Both in rich and poor countries, universal health care br... by sykh on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @11:18AM (#16977718)
Your first paragraph is false and indeed can not be true in any system that rations care. All health care systems ration care since no soceity has enough resources to cover and pay for all possible needed health services. Here resources includes number of qualified workers.
Re:Both in rich and poor countries, universal health care br... by conanbatt on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @11:29AM (#16977855)
If its rationed then some people are going to be left out, and the moral argument crumbles, as people that need it don't get it.
Re:Both in rich and poor countries, universal health care br... by sykh on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @11:45AM (#16978054)
The rationing can be in a moral way or in an immoral way. All systems ration care. Most do so in a much more morally palatable way than the U.S.
Re:Both in rich and poor countries, universal health care br... by ScottBurson on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @02:18PM (#16979731)
I think you have half a point. A lot of people favoring universal care say things like "health care is a right". I would much prefer the statement that "basic health care is a right". We don't want to talk ourselves into a system where we feel obliged to try to cover absolutely everything.