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Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by Lionsion on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @02:17PM (#16969752)
> The deal’s opponents were led by Ted Frank, director of litigation for the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a Washington-based conservative think tank. They said the deal violated procedural rules in U.S. law requiring settlements to be fair, reasonable and adequate.

What's the Competitive Enterprise Institute's goal in this lawsuit? I once read an editorial once by a CEI guy that was very pro-forced-arbitration, a view which often goes hand-in-hand with an opposition to class action lawsuits.

Is this lawsuit part of the legal campaign to to neuter class actions?

Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by forapurpose on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @05:06PM (#16971643)
I think this is the interesting question about the situation; what is the conservative movement's agenda here? I don't see a clear one. (Let me be clear: I'm not writing this to criticize or support the movement or its agenda in this case; I'm just wondering what the agenda is.)

It's broader than the Competitive Enterprise Institute. For example, the U.S. Justice Department under Sessions instituted a policy banning (or reducing?) settlements with the Justice Department that paid money to 3rd parties. When the Sessions' Justice Department did it, I assumed they wanted to defund 'liberal' institutions (meaning, those not in the conservative ideological movement). As another example, there is also the effort to defund Planned Parenthood and the successful one to defund ACORN.

Note that the Supreme Court case matches a modus operendi of the conservative movement: Change policy and law via the courts rather than through Congress. They develop legal strategies, find good test cases, get Federalist Society judges appointed (especially to the Supreme Court), and incrementally change law and cement policy changes that way. Other groups in other parts of the political spectrum adopt the same approach, of course; it's not just the conservative movement, but they have been particularly strategic.

But why this issue? Perhaps someone in the conservative movement decided that these settlements are a valuable revenue stream for "liberal" groups. If someone read through the literature, I'd bet we could find the reasoning and the strategy. Perhaps someone here already has and will share with us?

Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by mark212 on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @07:43PM (#16972789)
the pro-business agenda is to eliminate or reduce class actions as much as possible because they can be a huge cost of doing business. Litigation generally is how businesses are held accountable for their actions because in the US there tends to be very little governmental regulatory enforcement in most industries.

Cy pres settlements are generally easy headlines: "Charities get $X million, lawyers get $Y million, regular folks get nothing." Which means it's easy to demagogue.

The larger picture is that having to pay $8.5 million plus whatever O'Melveny & Meyers was charging for defense costs led Google to change its business practices. Where that money goes is largely beside the point, though plenty of free market legal scholars will note that large attorneys' fees encourage more such suits, which means more zealous enforcement of consumer protection laws.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by aerotwelve on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @12:49AM (#16974138)
In general, CEI and their brethren would love class action lawsuits to go away. Without them, it's much easier to deceive a large group of customers/consumers just enough to avoid being held accountable for their actions; they know the vast majority will never sue because they couldn't afford to.

Forced arbitration is one key to this strategy, but occasionally that fails. This looks like a step towards covering that corner case.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by s73v3r_ on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @03:10PM (#16970367)
If it is, did they really need to do that? Just about every service everywhere already has clauses banning users from joining them, requiring users to waive their Constitutional rights.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by olliej on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @04:46PM (#16971410)
I recall somes states are [going to?] simply making any forced arbitration clauses unenforceable (much like no compete clauses in California)
Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by mark212 on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @07:15PM (#16972640)
can't. There's a federal law from 1928 (I kid you not) that says no state can impair the ability of parties to agree to arbitration. The fiction is that clicking on a terms-of-service button is "consent" to all the terms therein, including arbitration and class action waivers.

California for years said such things were unenforceable but the US Supreme Court in 2011 struck it down. (AT&T Mobility v. Concepcion, 563 U.S. 333 (2011))

Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by s73v3r_ on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @02:47PM (#16979991)
I believe there is an argument to make that banning forced arbitration is not impairing the ability of parties to agree to arbitration. All that would do is ensure that the parties are actually agreeing to it, instead of one party bullying the other into arbitration.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by Lionsion on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @11:02AM (#16977527)
> There's a federal law from 1928 (I kid you not) that says no state can impair the ability of parties to agree to arbitration.

Do you have a citation for to the statute or the USC for that?

This is something that I'd like to write my reps about.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by mark212 on Thursday May 10, 2018 @07:53PM (#17043888)
I was wrong, it was passed in 1925. More here, including a link to the Concepcion decision by the USSC:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Arbitration_Act

Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by s73v3r_ on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @05:58PM (#16972117)
That would be a very, very good thing.