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Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by saagarjha on Monday April 30, 2018 @05:20PM (#16962471)
It might be pertinent to see Koum leaving as a sort of canary. Koum promised to keep WhatsApp secure, and it's clear that with his departure he feels that he can no longer do this anymore.
Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by untog on Monday April 30, 2018 @05:28PM (#16962571)
It might be. But it's also just over four years since Facebook bought WhatsApp. Were his FB shares on a four year vesting plan?

I don't mean to be too negative, but I'm still very disappointed they sold to FB in the first place. There was no need to do so - WhatsApp's business was sustainable. And surely they must have considered this possibility?

Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by simonebrunozzi on Monday April 30, 2018 @09:00PM (#16963873)
Have you ever been on food stamps, in a foreign country, only to get offered Billions of dollars a few years later? (yes, that's Jan Koum).

Frankly, I can easily defend his choice of selling to Facebook.

Instead, good point on his vesting.

Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by bb611 on Monday April 30, 2018 @10:57PM (#16964286)
You imply a tale of woe by saying "few years", when it was really closer to 2 decades. He was on food stamps as a child, he'd worked at Yahoo for a decade and started working on Whatsapp with hundreds of thousands of dollars in savings, and at the time of the acquisition their finances were extremely healthy.
Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by simonebrunozzi on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @03:28AM (#16965180)
So, after two decades, the memory of having been on food stamps goes completely away, you say? And it doesn't count in that decision anymore?

Let me remind you that elderly people still have very vidid memories of famine and war troubles even 70+ years later.

It seems to me you are just being pedantic.

Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by untog on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @08:32AM (#16966450)
It seems to me that you're using someone's personal history to project your own personal views. We have no idea if he is motivated by what you're saying. The OP's counter point is just as valid as yours.

Personally, if I'd grown up on food stamps and was deeply concerned for my future welfare you can bet I would have sold before the price reached $18bn. I'm quite sure WhatsApp had many offers over the years.

Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by paxy on Monday April 30, 2018 @05:35PM (#16962640)
Was the business sustainable? They tried some form of paid apps or recurring subscriptions several times, but no one I know actually paid for WhatsApp ever. I imagine they were just burning through VC funds.
Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by rmason on Monday April 30, 2018 @09:03PM (#16963879)
Actually in one of their interviews after the acquisition Koum said that they still had every single penny of their VC money, they hadn't spent it. He even showed the bank statement showing it was all there before they took a second round of financing from Sequoia. Jim Goetz said they were the only startup we'd ever dealt with that was paying income tax before taking any money.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2014/02/19/exclusive...

Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by fasj82 on Monday April 30, 2018 @05:42PM (#16962696)
It does not take much money to run a messenger, especially one that does not store conversations or files server-side once they are delivered.
Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by pdonis on Monday April 30, 2018 @09:04PM (#16963886)
Doesn't matter if revenue is less than costs.
Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by tim333 on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @02:30AM (#16964955)
I paid 79p for a lifetime subscription but yeah that probably wasn't going to cover costs. They used charges partly to limit uptake when the servers were struggling I think.
Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by dman on Monday April 30, 2018 @05:43PM (#16962708)
I paid for it.
Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by denimnerd on Monday April 30, 2018 @09:54PM (#16964075)
yeah so did I and all my friends. $1 whatever.
Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by colmvp on Monday April 30, 2018 @05:34PM (#16962624)
I mean... 19 Billion... it's hard to pass that up.
Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by untog on Monday April 30, 2018 @06:19PM (#16962949)
Oh, I know. On a human level I can't blame anyone for making that choice. But then exiting with a big pile of cash while complaining about what Facebook is doing feels a bit... eh.
Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by jonny_eh on Monday April 30, 2018 @06:49PM (#16963180)
What else should he do? He took billions of $ along with a promise that he'll keep control. FB lied, so now he's leaving. I can't blame him here. Money can easily buy a bit of naïvety.
Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by dingaling on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @04:43AM (#16965436)
> What else should he do?

That really depends on what was stated in the terms of acquisition. At the most extreme sue to demerge.

But is that a fight he is willing to accept?

Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by jonny_eh on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @08:22PM (#16973035)
That'd be gutsy, but suing wouldn't have a chance unless he had promises in writing, which I doubt.
Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by dasil003 on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @01:28AM (#16964768)
I'd rather have him do that then decide to stop complaining and give Facebook a pass now that he's one of them.
Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by KSS42 on Monday April 30, 2018 @05:38PM (#16962668)
FB tripled in the last 4 years. So, a 4 year vesting period would have been a good thing for Koum!
Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by EpicEng on Monday April 30, 2018 @06:29PM (#16963043)
>WhatsApp's business was sustainable

Was it? Sure, they had a lot of users, but most weren't paying. FB said that the revenue was so small that it wasn't even worth charging. They brought in something like 10M on 0.5B users, hardly sustainable.

Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by untog on Monday April 30, 2018 @06:38PM (#16963109)
> They brought in something like 10M on 0.5B users, hardly sustainable.

Why not? Their team was tiny and they spent next to nothing on advertising (nor needed to). $10m seems like a pretty decent amount of money to be spending on servers in a year. (I'm not saying it definitely was fine, just that I wouldn't assume it wasn't)

Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by abhishekjha on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @01:43AM (#16964814)
Curious. How much do servers cost for serving 1B+ users? Does it really consume millions of dollars if there is no ML/analytics being generated? I used to think that as you scale you start getting cheaper rates.
Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by patrickaljord on Monday April 30, 2018 @05:30PM (#16962583)
Mark Zuckerberg answers to Koum leaving:

"Jan: I will miss working so closely with you. I'm grateful for everything you've done to help connect the world, and for everything you've taught me, including about encryption and its ability to take power from centralized systems and put it back in people's hands. Those values will always be at the heart of WhatsApp."

https://www.facebook.com/jan.koum/posts/10156227307390011?co...

Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by gingernaut on Monday April 30, 2018 @05:36PM (#16962644)
A PR crafted response that doesn't indicate anything. Facebook is one of the largest centralized services on the internet, and has no desire to lessen that.
Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by saagarjha on Monday April 30, 2018 @05:38PM (#16962661)
> I'm grateful for everything you've done to help connect the world, and for everything you've taught me, including about encryption and its ability to take power from centralized systems and put it back in people's hands. Those values will always be at the heart of WhatsApp.

Of course, we do have to look at this response, as well as Koum's original post, through the lens of a PR piece.

Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by thomble on Monday April 30, 2018 @08:10PM (#16963648)
"Connecting the world" to our lucrative public manipulation platform. I'm sick of the phrase.
Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by JetSpiegel on Monday April 30, 2018 @07:17PM (#16963355)
More "connect the world" crap, the same spiel from the Congress hearings.
Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by taurath on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @02:22AM (#16964927)
I'm sure he thinks he means it, but at the end of the day he's just going to scrape it to sell more ads.
Re:Jan Koum to leave after broad clashes with Facebook by snthd on Monday April 30, 2018 @07:33PM (#16963442)
This also points that way:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/14/whatsapp-...

>WhatsApp has signed an undertaking declaring that it will not share any EU user data with Facebook until the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) comes into force on 25 May.