Re:Sergey Brin warns of AI threats through a 'technology ren...
by majewsky on Monday April 30, 2018 @09:34AM
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Since eyebrows are being raised over your considering lions unconscious, how about the following amendment?
> An earthquake is dangerous even though it's not conscious.
Re:Sergey Brin warns of AI threats through a 'technology ren...
by ThomPete on Monday April 30, 2018 @12:02PM
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I was responding to the parent who talked about real ai not sure why eyebrows are being raised unless someone want to misunderstand the context the comment were made in.
Of course a lion is conscious but it's not conscious at a level that the parent means (real ai).
Re:Sergey Brin warns of AI threats through a 'technology ren...
by optimuspaul on Monday April 30, 2018 @09:16AM
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> A lion is still dangerous even tough it's not conscious.
Of course, because it can wake up, right? Or are you trying to say Lions are not intelligent? If the latter I think you are wrong. I am fairly certain lions can acquire new skills and apply that knowledge in many ways. Like knowing that whoever put them down is a threat and they should probably attack them when they wake up.
Re:Sergey Brin warns of AI threats through a 'technology ren...
by ThomPete on Monday April 30, 2018 @09:25AM
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I am responding to the parent who talk about "real ai" what I am saying is that you don't need "real ai" for something to be a threat. with real ai I am assuming the parent means conscious self aware AI.
No lions most certainly can't acquire new skills in any meaningful way besides trough evolution.
Re:Sergey Brin warns of AI threats through a 'technology ren...
by Maybestring on Monday April 30, 2018 @10:50AM
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>No lions most certainly can't acquire new skills in any meaningful way besides trough evolution.
C. Elegans can learn new behaviors. I'm inclined to think that animals with 0 capacity for learning don't exist.
Re:Sergey Brin warns of AI threats through a 'technology ren...
by ThomPete on Monday April 30, 2018 @12:01PM
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Sure but in this context that's hardly relevant. We are comparing it with "real ai" as the parent calls it or GAI which is something on a much much different level.
Re:Sergey Brin warns of AI threats through a 'technology ren...
by Maybestring on Monday April 30, 2018 @09:15AM
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Lions aren't that dangerous when they're unconscious. It's when they wake up that they get dangerous.
Re:Sergey Brin warns of AI threats through a 'technology ren...
by ThomPete on Monday April 30, 2018 @09:27AM
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Snakes can be dangerous, ants and spiders can be. They don't need to be "woken up". Instead it's a consequence of what they are optimized for that makes them dangerous.
Re:Sergey Brin warns of AI threats through a 'technology ren...
by eli_gottlieb on Monday April 30, 2018 @11:06AM
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Lions are almost definitely conscious, since they share the overwhelming majority of their nervous-system function and structure with us.
Edited for clarification. Not conscious in any way that would rival "real AI" (as per the parents point) or human consciousness.
AI will get increasing access to more and more crucial parts of society and thus become more and more dangerous. It doesn't need to "real AI" for that.