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Re:Ask HN: How do you GDPR for your small side projects? by BjoernKW on Monday April 30, 2018 @06:39AM (#16957412)
While I understand the sentiment this might be risky. Creating the required documentation after the fact should your project take off might not be possible in every case.
Re:Ask HN: How do you GDPR for your small side projects? by brador on Monday April 30, 2018 @07:39AM (#16957701)
The goal of GDPR is compliance not punishment. So long as you are eventually following the rules it’s all ok.
Re:Ask HN: How do you GDPR for your small side projects? by BjoernKW on Monday April 30, 2018 @08:11AM (#16957860)
Yes, compliance is the goal.

However, the rules are vague enough to be interpreted in other ways as well. If some authority decides to make an example of pesky local startups for whatever reason there is little that prevents them from doing so. Remember, both the actual implementation and the enforcement of the regulation lies with the EU member countries, which even might decide to further devolve that responsibility to a local level.

Moreover, in the past similar regulations such as the legal notice requirement for websites in some EU member countries were abused by shady lawyers who specifically target small business that supposedly don't comply with these rules.

Re:Ask HN: How do you GDPR for your small side projects? by Angostura on Monday April 30, 2018 @01:31PM (#16960513)
Give me an example of an overly vague rule.
Re:Ask HN: How do you GDPR for your small side projects? by BjoernKW on Monday April 30, 2018 @02:28PM (#16960996)
GDPR requires companies to use “state-of-the-art measures” to protect personal data, which is intentionally vague because the state of the art obviously changes over time.

However, who will decide what the state of the art actually is at any given time? Politicians, lawyers, competitors, actual IT experts? The latter don’t commonly work for either EU or local authorities.

Because the laws are implemented by each EU member state that state of the art might even differ depending on whether you’re located in, say, France or Germany.

Re:Ask HN: How do you GDPR for your small side projects? by Angostura on Monday April 30, 2018 @01:31PM (#16960508)
I wouldn’t bother about documentation, but I would bother about thinking about the basics: do I need all this personal information? On what legitame basis am I collecting it? Am I storing it safely? Do I explain to people clearly how I’m using it, how they can see it, amend it or delete it?

Get the basics down, the documentation can follow. Get the basics wrong and it becomes painful.

Re:Ask HN: How do you GDPR for your small side projects? by BjoernKW on Monday April 30, 2018 @02:09PM (#16960852)
I agree in that the major benefit of GDPR for small companies is that you have to review and perhaps revise your processes accordingly.

However, the documentation still is required. You can create some of that later or just in case you're requested to do so but as soon as third parties (i.e. data processors) are involved that might not be possible anymore.

At the very least you'll be very busy for a few days because such requests by relevant authorities will come attached with a somewhat tight deadline ("Please supply these documents within 2 weeks or else ...").

Re:Ask HN: How do you GDPR for your small side projects? by notyourday on Monday April 30, 2018 @12:35PM (#16960032)
Oh to have this problem. Let me guess, your side project is multi-cloud replicated, CDN fronted, data center backed?
Re:Ask HN: How do you GDPR for your small side projects? by BjoernKW on Monday April 30, 2018 @12:57PM (#16960230)
This has nothing to do with over-engineered infrastructure.

As soon as your side project processes and / or stores user data GDPR applies to you.

Good luck with providing the requisite documentation and data processing agreements if authorities ask for them and you didn’t prepare those in time.

Re:Ask HN: How do you GDPR for your small side projects? by notyourday on Monday April 30, 2018 @01:56PM (#16960748)
You live in EU? Sure. You live in US? Nope, it does not apply. There's no nexus. EU can go and pound sand.
Re:Ask HN: How do you GDPR for your small side projects? by BjoernKW on Monday April 30, 2018 @02:02PM (#16960795)
That's not correct. As soon as you want to do business with someone currently located in the EU (doesn't even have to be an EU citizen), GDPR applies, no matter where your company is located.
Re:Ask HN: How do you GDPR for your small side projects? by notyourday on Monday April 30, 2018 @02:24PM (#16960969)
EU can write any law it wants. It cannot enforce it on anyone who is not have a nexus to EU.

Any hobby that gets to a point of making money in EU gets a nexus. Everything else is a FUD. Facebook, Google, Apple, etc all have nexus which is why it is applicable to them. JoeSchmoeLLC from Delaware does not.

Re:Ask HN: How do you GDPR for your small side projects? by BjoernKW on Monday April 30, 2018 @02:51PM (#16961191)
Just because something isn't easily enforceable it doesn't become legal or ethical.

A small company absolutely can get by with shoebox accounting, too, it's just not particularly advisable to do so.

The same applies to completely ignoring GDPR, whether it's enforceable or not.

Re:Ask HN: How do you GDPR for your small side projects? by notyourday on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @01:59PM (#16969543)
> The same applies to completely ignoring GDPR, whether it's enforceable or not.

It is as laughable as it gets. Let me guess:

1. You never cross a street not on a crosswalk 2. You never drive above speed limit 3. You never signup for the same website twice if their TOS say "you shall have only one account"? ...

And so many other silly statements.

Laws are only useful if they cab be enforced. This law cannot be enforced against any entity not in jurisdiction.

Re:Ask HN: How do you GDPR for your small side projects? by psyc on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @05:57AM (#16965722)
I have quite enough to do to comply with my own country's laws, thank you very much. Where would this end? Would I eventually need to know the laws of every nation so that I can do what you feel is ethical? Or do I just follow other countries' laws if they make headlines or get talked about a lot? I'll be following the IDGAF process on this one.
Re:Ask HN: How do you GDPR for your small side projects? by BjoernKW on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @07:45AM (#16966216)
It's actually quite simple.

If you don't want to do business with someone from another country you certainly don't have to comply with other countries' laws. If on the other hand you do sell a product or service to businesses or people abroad you have to comply with the relevant laws of their respective home countries.

That's not a new or GDPR-specific situation but rather has been the case since pretty much the beginning of international trade.

Re:Ask HN: How do you GDPR for your small side projects? by psyc on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @08:07AM (#16966310)
Simpler: I put my dumb thing on the web. I do not care who you are. I do not care where you are. I don't waste my energy giving it another thought.

"I got a letter from your government the other day. I opened and read it. It said they were suckers..." On a serious note though, regulation is already onerous to small (and very small) business. The last thing a rational entrepreneur would do is tie themselves up with more of it voluntarily. Unless you can present a reason to do so that is not sanctimonious.