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Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by solarkraft on Friday April 27, 2018 @07:16PM (#16945175)
> ironically using the tool progressives despise the most: Regulation

"Progressives" are in the US most often characterized as proposing an overreach in regulation, so I find it weird that you call it something they don't want.

Political terms are hard.

I for one, as an EU citizen, strongly support and am proud of the pro-human (often by being pro-environment and limiting companies) politics of the EU (GDPR, bans of overly toxic substances, USB for smartphones ...).

Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by freeflight on Saturday April 28, 2018 @12:29PM (#16948362)
> Political terms are hard.

It ain't helping that the definition of these terms often hinges on where you are talking about something because the local context can be very different for these terms, like American Libertarianism vs European Libertarianism [0]

Add to that how most people still only use the traditional left vs right axis, while imho something like the Nolan chart which also accounts for an authoritarian/libertarian axis for left and right, is a way superior model to account for the finer differences of political movements and especially parties.

I guess "progressivism" suffers from a similar issue. In Germany, it's pretty much never used to describe a particular political movement, German Wiki describes it as a "countermovement to conservatism", but in very broad terms. I guess it's a synonym for "the left"? Which in the US traditionally has been mostly defined/associated with regulation, at least by US conservatives.

[0] https://greyenlightenment.com/american-libertrianism-vs-euro...

Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by briandear on Friday April 27, 2018 @11:53PM (#16945984)
USB for smartphones? How is the government telling people what kind of ports to have a good thing? The market should make that decision, not a regulator. Toxins kill stuff, a lack of USB could be considered and annoyance if you think USB is important.

USB regulation is precisely the definition of “progressive” overreach. I don’t want any government dictating my device specifications (unless those specs are designed to reduce health risks or radio interference.)

Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by SllX on Saturday April 28, 2018 @01:57AM (#16946271)
Someone chime in and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but here's how I understand the "regulation".

The EU decided that having a single standard port to charge a smartphone was a good idea and in the long run, save a little bit of money and a little bit on electronic waste since people would be able to go to any store and purchase for sale 1 Standard Smartphone Charger™ and 1 Standard Smartphone Cable™.

Then they conferred their preference to the Smartphone Industry™ and said "Okay, you guys sort it out. Pick a standard, incorporate it going forward, or we will bring down the regulatory hammer and not even we want to do that."

At that point USB was proving to be more or less a de facto standard anyway, so the industry said okay, settled on that, and somehow Apple got away with being able to just bundle in an adapter for the Standard Smartphone Cable™. The benefit of this approach rather than the EU swinging the regulatory hammer is it leaves the industry free to update it, say from micro-USB to USB-C, as improvements come along, rather than the EU decreeing that all smartphones use micro-USB which would be Terrible. Thus we have a Standard by Agreement, rather than a Standard by Law and life goes on pretty okay.

For good or for ill, the EU has a massive amount of soft power in their lawmaking alone with repercussions that go beyond the 28 (soon to be 27 again) member states. Any smartphone designer is free to take their phone and go home, but that's a lot of money to leave on the table and its not like anybody particularly liked the old crappy connectors of the past.

Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by Symbiote on Saturday April 28, 2018 @04:32AM (#16946687)
The recommendation is also for the port on the charger, which even on Apple chargers is standard USB-A.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply

Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by rbanffy on Saturday April 28, 2018 @04:51AM (#16946726)
Your description is pretty much on the spot (IIRC)

> soon to be 27 again

My bet is still on a Norway-like solution, which saves (some) face for the Tories and has minimal consequences.

But I am known to be an optimist from time to time.

Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by hn0 on Saturday April 28, 2018 @04:14AM (#16946650)
The regulation was because the companies were NOT competing in the market for phone chargers through vendor lock in. I don’t know about you but I’m glad I no longer have to keep a box with 30 different chargers anymore. More electronics jumped on the USB charging bandwagon and phone recharging stations are suddenly a thing. Apple somehow seems to have escaped the regulation, sadly.
Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by murjinsee on Saturday April 28, 2018 @03:34PM (#16949106)
In addition to competition, there were also safety issues with proprietary chargers. I personally experienced this, when I had an emergency and my LG Lotus was dead. I tried using a borrowed microUSB charger at the hospital, only to be presented with the message, "Please use an LG-branded charger."

The power rating was identical; but, they had some kind of crazy, DRM-like scheme in place.

I'm very glad that I can now use or buy a cable anywhere and use pretty much any block, even an inefficient one.

Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by detaro on Saturday April 28, 2018 @03:16PM (#16949040)
Apple's charger is compliant since it has an USB-A port and phone side you can use an adapter, which explicitly was allowed in the deal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply#R...

Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by klaushougesen1 on Saturday April 28, 2018 @03:08PM (#16949011)
Apple categorises the iphone as a mini portable compute device - and thereby skirts the whole phone charger thing
Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by neuromute on Saturday April 28, 2018 @05:30AM (#16946833)
USB regulation imposed by the EU is a fantastic idea (in theory, at least). The amount of waste in the form of old proprietary device chargers is quite staggering and it poses an environmental problem. If all devices use USB, then this waste is somewhat reduced.

‘Almost every household is believed to have gathered a number of old chargers – estimated to generate more than 51 000 tons of electronic waste per year in the EU.’ [1]

[1] http://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/electrical-engineering/re...

Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by oneeyedpigeon on Saturday April 28, 2018 @05:45AM (#16946868)
Back when micro-usb was a thing, I accumulated an ungodly number of cables, way more than can be explained by obvious logic such as 'one per device'. At the time it was great because I never seemed to be more than ten feet from the cable I needed. Then came usb-c so I had to start all over, but I kept hold of all the old cables because of some weird hoarding instinct. A few weeks ago, I had to downgrade back from usb-c to micro and I am hugely relieved I kept all those old cables!

Moral of the story: never throw out old cables ... (maybe)

Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by hackbinary on Saturday April 28, 2018 @08:30AM (#16947336)
It is now probably safe to dispose of your old mfm and SCSI cables. Probably even your parallel port cables can go as well. ;)
Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by gkya on Sunday April 29, 2018 @07:21AM (#16951565)
Market tends to decide against the customers when it can. The market isn't the customers anyways, the market is those who live in their billion billion dollar bubbles and their employees. We the customers can not affect the decisions, but can only choose from the handful (curiously often two) viable options. And because the carging port is not the only variable, some people buy the iPhone, despite the inconvenience of presumably less luck in borrowing a charger...
Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by darkerside on Sunday April 29, 2018 @10:25AM (#16952123)
This is a very myopic and short term perspective on the market. Localized inefficiencies like you are talking about certainly exist--and likely always will. Over time, the will be resolved by the market entrance of a third party offering consumers what they really want (defined as, willing to actually pay money for). Then the big players adapt or die.
Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by gkya on Sunday April 29, 2018 @11:29AM (#16952401)
Even if so, we live in the short term (and, define "short term": minutes, months, years, decades?) and among the inefficiencies localized in most of the possible "locations" if not all of them, and I'd rather have regulation protect me than wait an indefinite amount of time until some good-willing entreprise takes initiative, and then another indefinite amount of time until they are successful, and then another indefinite amount of time the big players adapt or die, a process which when listed like this seems to me to be at most as efficient as wishing upon a star.

What "market" is is a big bunch of entities trying to maximise the output and minimise the input (in a large large majority of cases). Everything else is a side effect. In order to impose upon those entities anything, the customer base needs to be diverse enough to include potential opposers to the company's policy, and the number of the opposers who decide to boycott or move away should be large enough that such action significantly affects the company's margins. And that's not so easy to happen, especially if the bad the "big players" are doing does not directly affect the customers (e.g. saying "guns are murderous and destructive" will not affect the gun owners all that much, or "your pesticides kill bees" the pesticide users, no?) and thus the vigilance of the market is triply-restricted: by time it takes to produce effects, by the amount of opposition actors it requires, and by the nature of commerce. Thus, it can not produce timely change, requires and is thus fallible to lots of rhetoric, and is only maybe-efficient in a small set of industries and cases.

Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by darkerside on Sunday April 29, 2018 @06:27PM (#16954261)
A century of tremendous progress afforded by capitalism begs to differ. Anyway, I'm not saying free market capitalism is a panacea, but it's generated wealth and value for consumers in spades.
Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by gkya on Sunday April 29, 2018 @06:46PM (#16954332)
And I'm not saying it's evil, but that without regulation it will favour itself over the consumer all the time, except when interests happen to align (and it does not, in most cases).
Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by darkerside on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @08:30PM (#16982358)
The market doesn't favor "itself", that doesn't mean anything. There may be a paradigm you're missing here.

There's a confirmation bias at work. There are infinite examples of the market working suboptimally for one consumer, a group of consumers, or consumers as a whole. But the entire platform is built upon creating value for consumers. People choose to pay for goods and services they want. In another system, they could be assigned arbitrarily. Or even completely unavailable. Capitalism created things you'd never expect, like broadband internet access and social networking to name a couple.

Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by gkya on Thursday May 03, 2018 @12:16PM (#16987264)
Market is made up of selfish entities. The good that's done is a side effect. I do not mean that pejoratively.

It certainly is in the interest of enterprises to provide value to consumers. But so too is to do that as cheaply as possible, in order to have the largest margins possible. The one to sell for cheapest will prevail. Even if that means making people work for the bare minimum that'll keep them alive and poisoning them with murderous materials in subhuman working conditions. Even if that means starving an entire ecosystem to death to grow some grains or whatnot. That's where regulation kicks in. It sets the ground for competition without harming the rest of the world.

We do not disagree. But you're believing mistakenly that I am criticising capitalism. While I instead am telling that like every powerful resource, capital too needs to be heavily controlled and supervised. If you live somewhere where the market and capitalism is not doing shady things to cut costs and sell cheaper, tell me which utopian place/planet you are at, so that I can join you lot. But in the real world lots of starving hands touch everything we wear and tap and click. Regulation is necessary so that one's life don't cost many others' lives.

Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by darkerside on Thursday May 03, 2018 @07:21PM (#16990889)
Yeah, I think we actually are pretty close to the same page. I just think, in light of the tremendous amount of progress over the past years, often discounted by a media audience that is fed a healthy diet of panic (this brought to you by capitalism, FTR!), capitalism has been an overall win. And I don't know of any other system that could have produced anything close to what we have.

I guess a lot of it comes down to whether we are satisfied with the state of humanity, and whether we recognize past progress as an overall good.

Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by FranzFerdiNaN on Saturday April 28, 2018 @01:54AM (#16946262)
No, it was extremely good and cool that the EU told corporations to stick to one standard. The market is terrible in making things convenient for consumers if they want to switch phones, as it doesn't make them money.

Same with not creating bee-killing pesticides. The markets created them and never stopped despite them being extremely harmful to the environment. But who cares, under capitalism profits matter above all so let's continue producing them.

Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by akie on Saturday April 28, 2018 @01:47AM (#16946247)
He was talking about standardizing phone chargers to use (one of the) USB standard ones so you don’t end up with a drawer full of outdated and incompatible chargers.
Re:EU agrees on total ban of bee-harming pesticides by car_invasion on Saturday April 28, 2018 @06:08AM (#16946944)
US is progressive in capitalism (one that comes to mind is Uber), EU in socialism.