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Re:Show HN: DroneFinder – Web application to assist in the r... by ocdtrekkie on Friday April 27, 2018 @05:50PM (#16944715)
My first question is: What happens if you don't pay the subscription and someone finds your drone and scans the sticker?

Nothing? A note about how the owner can't get his drone back because he didn't pay? Do they contact the owner and offer to make the connection for a larger/burdensome finder's fee as a penalty for not paying?

The old "service" I remember back in the day for stickers on your devices in case they got lost was a one-time fee: When you purchased the stickers. And then presumably as long as the company was operating, they'd help you get your stuff back.

This is probably a better model, and the business could be sustainable on the fact that people's new devices will generally need new stickers. (In addition to stickers being generally non-transferrable things, you could prevent the item description from being changed and the like.)

Re:Show HN: DroneFinder – Web application to assist in the r... by lanilogic on Friday April 27, 2018 @05:59PM (#16944788)
Originally the stickers were "per aircraft" - I've changed that so a single sheet of stickers can be purchased for multiple aircraft, and they all point to the account instead of individual airframes.

That seemed fairer to me - no point in buying a sheet of 21 stickers for one aircraft when you only need a single sticker.

So stickers can be printed out (and stuck on via clear tape) or purchased pre-printed for unlimited aircraft now, provided a £2 monthly subscription is in place.

Re:Show HN: DroneFinder – Web application to assist in the r... by lanilogic on Friday April 27, 2018 @05:52PM (#16944741)
Yea - If there is no subscription in place then the code scanning no longer shows the aircraft as being "known" until the subscription is reactivated.

I'm open to ideas on it though - but how else would I ensure people keep paying.

Re:Show HN: DroneFinder – Web application to assist in the r... by ocdtrekkie on Friday April 27, 2018 @05:54PM (#16944753)
I was editing as you replied. Bit more thoughts on it there. But there's a potentially big concern to knowing who owns a multithousand dollar device and just pretending you don't know who owns it when you do.
Re:Show HN: DroneFinder – Web application to assist in the r... by lanilogic on Friday April 27, 2018 @05:57PM (#16944778)
Possibly - but you don't necessarily know who owns it. The owner can choose how much information gets displayed to the finder via their settings.

The system will still act as a proxy though, sending a SMS and email to the owner if the finder submits that they've found it.

It's relying on honesty at the end of the day - I like to think most people are honest enough that given the opportunity to help someone get their property back they'll do so.

Re:Show HN: DroneFinder – Web application to assist in the r... by ocdtrekkie on Friday April 27, 2018 @06:39PM (#16944990)
I am just thinking in your case, if someone looks up a device, you really shouldn't suggest you don't know who owns it: If they've ever subscribed, you do know.

But perhaps you should have a system where there's a recovery fee for a lapsed account. If your service costs 24 a year or so, perhaps it's 150 or 200 for you to connect up a recovery on a lapsed account. So the risk of not paying is having to pay a lot more if you lose your drone and aren't subbed.

Re:Show HN: DroneFinder – Web application to assist in the r... by lanilogic on Saturday April 28, 2018 @04:32AM (#16946689)
Thanks for your feedback - I think you're right about showing the aircraft is registered even if a subscription has lapsed - it's the right thing to do.

I'll think of a way to queue the notifications to the owner so that they get sent once a subscription has been set back up, and a warning to them that someone has their drone in the meantime.

Re:Show HN: DroneFinder – Web application to assist in the r... by ocdtrekkie on Friday April 27, 2018 @06:43PM (#16945007)
There's basically three ways to pay for this kind of service, and I'm not sure you picked the best one.

Upfront: Pay to cover a given device once, and it's covered for the life of the device. (Upside: No subscriptions to worry about and you get more cash right at the start. Downside: You need a steady source of new registrations (or you need to save a good chunk of that upfront fee towards ongoing operations).

On recovery: Pay a much higher amount only when someone tries to return your drone to you through the service. (Upside: People can join for free since there's no reason not to! Downside: If people don't lose their drones, you may go out of business.)

Subscription: What you've got. (Upside: Revenue is extremely consistent. Downside: You end up in situations where you could help someone recover a five grand drone but aren't because they didn't pay you two euros this month.)

Re:Show HN: DroneFinder – Web application to assist in the r... by lanilogic on Saturday April 28, 2018 @04:41AM (#16946708)
I'm only really comfortable with the model I've chosen and since people are already paying for it (the service is paying for itself right now which is great) I think it's been validated.

There is scope for offering a higher specification service to commercial operators but I'm not sure I want to get involved with the liability aspects - I did build this for my own purposes in the first place and I figured I could provide a cheap, reliable service to other hobbyists.

Thanks for your feedback, I appreciate the time you spent.

Re:Show HN: DroneFinder – Web application to assist in the r... by ocdtrekkie on Saturday April 28, 2018 @03:54PM (#16949164)
Glad to be of any service, if I gave you ideas or something to ponder, I did my job. ;)

Oh, one more question: It's a .co.uk address. Are you able to do this for UK customers only, or is it a global service? If you're just putting people in contact with others, I'd think that there'd be no reason people in other countries couldn't use it, but I don't know.