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Re:90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housin... by jasode on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @02:50PM (#16924754)
>Heck pretty much the entirety of Linux and its ecosystem is remote.

I'm a full 100% remote worker and I would never bring up "Linux development" as evidence for businesses to adopt remote work. If remote work evangelists want to argue for the benefits of work-from-home, please do not use Linux as an example because it undermines credible business thinking. As I've said before[1] and paste again here:

Open source development as "obvious" proof of remote work superiority is often brought up but proponents don't realize they aren't the same. E.g. open source project like Linux kernel where volunteers choose what they want to work on, with little or zero effects on careers for missing deadlines has different dynamics than businesses.

If we want to convince businesses to adopt remote work, the Linux kernel is not a relevant example. Businesses have:

1) finite budget

2) deadlines

3) pressure to innovate for marketplace acceptance or go bankrupt

We need a better explanation for why business-related success of Google Pagerank/Bigtable, Apple iPhone, Facebook, etc comes more from teams in the office rather than remote workers on Skype. The Linux project -- even though it is "successful" -- is not that explanation.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15047805

Re:90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housin... by ghaff on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @03:17PM (#16925039)
>E.g. open source project like Linux kernel where volunteers choose what they want to work on

The vast majority of Linux kernel contributors work for companies who pay them to work on the Linux kernel. Many of those developers do have some flexibility in what they spend their time on but it's not like they can do whatever they feel like.

Re:90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housin... by jasode on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @03:25PM (#16925117)
>The vast majority of Linux kernel contributors work for companies who pay them to work on the Linux kernel.

Sorry for not being clear, the context was "building" a product. E.g. rewind the clock to 1991 when Linux Torvalds and volunteers and hobbyists are "working remotely" via USENET and exchanging emails. The Linux kernel they iterated on is an astounding achievement but that collaborative process is a totally different dynamic than a business that has to spend real money and get a product out.

Re:90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housin... by raverbashing on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @03:22PM (#16925097)
Developers in open source companies do have finite budgets, do have deadlines and have some pressure to innovate.

And yes, they do often work for upstream projects as part of their jobs, pushing for changes they need for their deadlines.

Most of open source work is done by companies. And yes, a lot of them with remote workers.

Though I agree, I don't expect an iPhone to be made remotely though, hardware is complicated.

Re:90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housin... by jasode on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @04:38PM (#16925858)
>Developers in open source companies do have finite budgets,

Yes, the employees of companies at Intel, RedHat, and IBM contributing to Linux work within a finite budget (paid salaries) but The Linux Kernel itself does not have a budget. If Intel/RH/IBM all stopped funding programmers to work on Linux, the Linux project would still continue with volunteers. It may continue at a slower pace but it would continue nonetheless.

The point remains: Linux kernel remote workers cannot be used as a case study for businesses to adopt remote telecommuting.

Re:90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housin... by d0lph on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @03:01PM (#16924885)
It does answer communication problems though right? Compared to any business project, the kernel is behemoth.
Re:90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housin... by jasode on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @03:17PM (#16925041)
>Compared to any business project, the kernel is behemoth.

The Linux kernel's ~26 million lines-of-code[1] is much smaller than the proprietary code bases at Google, Facebook, and Microsoft. E.g. Google had 2 billion LOC in 2015.[2] MS Windows is ~50 million LOC. All those companies have faster commit velocities to their repos than the Linux project.

[1] https://phoronix.com/misc/linux-2017/index.html

[2] https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2016/7/204032-why-google-stor...

Re:90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housin... by sjg007 on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @03:48PM (#16925345)
I thought Jeff Dean built everything at Google.. :)