Scientists plan huge European AI hub to compete with US

Re:Scientists plan huge European AI hub to compete with US by hdkrgr on Tuesday April 24, 2018 @04:05AM (#16910789)

While I don't disagree with your argument, the disparity is not quite that high (talking about Germany).

A Uni Doctorate Position in Germany is 44k in the first year, ~49k from the second year (EUR before deductions) as per official TVL13 tariff. You are probably referring to the fact that it's common for PhD students to have 'half' or '3/4' positions, but afaik in CS, and especially AI, full positions are the norm.

The Industry figures seem on point.

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Re:Scientists plan huge European AI hub to compete with US by dmichulke on Tuesday April 24, 2018 @04:16AM (#16910816)

There might also be a difference between the Länder.

Case in point: A friend and colleague of mine had a full position in Dresden (AI) and he got a little more than 30k (AFAIR before deductions). That was around 2009 I guess.

Maybe in high rent cities (Munich, ...) it's different?

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Re:Scientists plan huge European AI hub to compete with US by kmmlng on Tuesday April 24, 2018 @08:09AM (#16911849)

There is a difference between east and west Germany, but not specifically between the Länder.

In 2009 you would have gotten (before deductions) ~34873 in the east and ~37852 in the west. In 2018 it is ~45863 in the east and ~45900 in the west. This is all assuming a full-time E13 position.

Source (German): http://oeffentlicher-dienst.info/tv-l/west/

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