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Re:A brief list of what Scrum gets wrong by Izkata on Saturday April 21, 2018 @08:56PM (#16894192)
The trick that apparently gets lost somewhere along the line is that you don't just say "no", you say "not yet, this first" or "can't, but can do this instead" or...

Either give the product owner a reason and a way to work towards what they want, or an alternative that (hopefully) is just as good.

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Re:A brief list of what Scrum gets wrong by PaulRivers on Sunday April 22, 2018 @02:02PM (#16897477)
No it's not lost. It gets the same though longer winded results of saying "no". The b.a. product owner complains to your manager that you're not a team player and you get into trouble with your boss.

Even if that didn't happen you're never going to win, because the b.a.'s have no other job than playing this verbal judo, while you also have to spend your time getting conplex technical things to work. You're like someone who goes to a karate class twice a werk fighting against someone who's life is dedicated to training.

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