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Re:To Understand the Future of Tesla, Look to the History of GM by skybrian on Saturday April 21, 2018 @03:17PM (#16892875)
That sounds bad but transport by ship is very cheap, even for long distances. I'd want to see the numbers.
Re:To Understand the Future of Tesla, Look to the History of GM by eigenvector on Saturday April 21, 2018 @05:00PM (#16893423)
Ships use heavy fuel oil, which is the dirtiest transportation fuel in use today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil#Bunker_fuel

Re:To Understand the Future of Tesla, Look to the History of GM by SlowRobotAhead on Saturday April 21, 2018 @03:43PM (#16893015)
Cheap, yea. But also extremely dirty. What is the mpg ona tanker using crude diesel again? Cool, now swing that tanker three or four times through Singapore.
Re:To Understand the Future of Tesla, Look to the History of GM by skybrian on Saturday April 21, 2018 @08:08PM (#16894065)
Okay, but you have to divide by the entire cargo of the ship, which is quite enormous. So I still don't think it's something easy to estimate without doing the math.
Re:To Understand the Future of Tesla, Look to the History of GM by Spooky23 on Saturday April 21, 2018 @10:34PM (#16894432)
Cargo ships are flagged in countries of convenience and don’t meet many standards.

The top 15 biggest polluting ships produce more pollutants like sulfur oxide than all cars

Re:To Understand the Future of Tesla, Look to the History of GM by froindt on Saturday April 21, 2018 @10:53PM (#16894475)
The bunker fuel used by cargo ships is a byproduct of the refining process after they extract the higher quality fuels.

The fuel has to go somewhere. We could bury it back in the ground because we don't want to burn it, but we need some fuel to power international trade.

In terms of energy per ton mile, you can't really beat a cargo ship.

Horribly long link from Google, pdf warning.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://...

Re:To Understand the Future of Tesla, Look to the History of GM by spectrum1234 on Saturday April 21, 2018 @08:19PM (#16894092)
It's way better than anything else. Seriously.