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Re:Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446 by vorpalhex on Thursday April 19, 2018 @02:37PM (#16878739)
I'm a high paid software engineer. I also had amazing computer teachers and remember writing BASIC programs to play MIDI in elementary. I also have the advantage of living in the city, being a white male, and being young and social.

Being a software engineer requires a particular mindset, a lot of time and exposure, and people willing to support that. I was lucky enough to have all of the above, but most folks do not.

I'm in the midst of helping a friend who is currently a welder move into software engineering. He's extremely intelligent and has the brain for it, but it's also taken literal years, finding him a capable dev machine (a used macbook air, donated from another engineer), tutoring him (me and another engineer, going on for two years now), and now he's going to a bootcamp (which cost thousands of dollars he didn't have in his pocket).

He is still going to have to find an actual job and make the move from bootcamp to real life. That's another involved process that will require multiple people helping him.

And again, this is a young white male who has a very high aptitude for this.

It's a bit more work than "just invest in yourself!". The average computer user has difficulty searching their own email or resetting a password. Even those with natural aptitude require help - and not a trivial amount either.

Re:Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446 by el_cid on Friday April 20, 2018 @03:58AM (#16882955)
And what you are proposing for your friend, after all these years of struggle for a better tomorrow - is to make the same amount of money as he did as a welder?

There are 2 sides to this. And the positive side of having something to work towards is usually not mentioned.

I can give you an example from Europe, in a country which is homogeneous ethnically. We all went to the same public schools and we had the same opportunities. At 30 - some of us make more than 10 times than others. There is no system of oppression which caused this. It was simply the market which has imposed this difference. And the market is at an equilibrium - because the people who earn higher wages, pay a LOT of money for healthcare, the social pension system and other social security things. If the gov would increase this further in order to close the "gap" between high earners and the have-nots/less, the high earners would just leave the country (they already do this to a degree).

Why not let the market decide? This is not about privilege and oppression and I am surprised that over the pond people have not learned from Europe's history.

There is also the side that by having a system in place that rewards effort - people strive for more everyday and this leads to prosperity. This country has been under communism and during those times no one was struggling for anything, because they were paid just the same.

Re:Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446 by bsder on Friday April 20, 2018 @08:52PM (#16889419)
> And what you are proposing for your friend, after all these years of struggle for a better tomorrow - is to make the same amount of money as he did as a welder?

He doesn't have to breathe toxic fumes that screw up his health. That's kind of a big plus.

He can likely continue programming to a far older age. That might be a big plus.

I can continue.