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Re:Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446 by vorpalhex on Thursday April 19, 2018 @02:30PM (#16878660)
A minimum wage of $7/hr in the Bay Area or NYC is useless. That won't cover transportation. $14/hr is still, basically, the same amount of more or less useless.

In, to quote Ken White, "pluck-my-banjo" Texas, that's a perfectly fine and livable sum. A dollar or two raise and you can probably start saving up for a house realistically. $14/hr is kingly.

Amazon warehouses are usually not in banjo-playing rural areas, but rather as close to major towns as is economically feasible for Amazon's rent bill.

This is neither a basic income nor a federal minimum wage problem. This is a lack of competing opportunities for minimally skilled workers problem. If these same workers had realistic job opportunities that paid well, then Amazon would have to raise wages (and pass some of that onto the consumers, but, that's relatively nothing).

Re:Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446 by gowld on Thursday April 19, 2018 @02:39PM (#16878764)
There's a large tier between banjo-playing Texas and "Bay Area"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Amazon_locations#Fulfi...

Re:Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446 by frgtpsswrdlame on Thursday April 19, 2018 @02:40PM (#16878771)
Can we please end this charade of pretending a $14 wage is kingly anywhere? I mean even the whole idea of 'banjo-playing areas'? Come on. I find it really gross the way people that have good jobs and have never left urban/suburban environments typecast the rest of the country.
Re:Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446 by vorpalhex on Thursday April 19, 2018 @02:50PM (#16878861)
That's about $30k a year. That's comfortable in areas within an hour or two of my town.

I made that amount when I was in college, in the DC area, and most certainly survived just fine. Had I lived more rural in an area where entry level homes are <200k and not 600k+, that would of gone much farther.

And the banjo-playing is mostly a joke, especially in Texas. That being said, as an avid hiker, I spend a significant chunk of my time in places best labeled as "Nowhere, really".

Re:Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446 by omegaworks on Thursday April 19, 2018 @04:06PM (#16879619)
The expenses that truly impact economic mobility: education, healthcare, childcare are in fact getting more expensive, everywhere.[1]

And if you want good versions of these things, you're more likely to find them in coastal urban cities, where basic cost of living (food and housing) is extremely high.

Remarking that "oh they'll be fine over there" when people are fleeing there for better resources is consigning a segment of our population to a permanent underclass status.

1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/08/17/the-s...

Re:Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446 by frgtpsswrdlame on Thursday April 19, 2018 @03:02PM (#16878987)
>when I was in college

Show me one person in this country with two kids who makes $14/hr and doesn't feel like they're struggling. College is easy, I survived on <$9/hr in college but you don't see me pretending that what is supportive of a college lifestyle and what is supportive of normal people with normal lives are the same thing.

>Had I lived more rural in an area where entry level homes are <200k and not 600k+, that would of gone much farther.

It would've gone a bit further but certainly not 'much.'

>That being said, as an avid hiker, I spend a significant chunk of my time in places best labeled as "Nowhere, really".

Somehow I think even you realize that using 'I hike' as a proxy for 'I have familiarity with rural areas' is pretty lame.

Re:Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446 by SE4L on Thursday April 19, 2018 @04:30PM (#16879837)
People who make 100k per year feel like they are struggling. Their feelings about their finances place the company under no obligation to pay them more.
Re:Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446 by megaman22 on Thursday April 19, 2018 @03:39PM (#16879357)
I know a lot of people back home, in rural Maine, who have a two-income household where each makes $15/hour, and they get by alright with a house and a couple of kids.

Of course, a decent house in that area runs $80-100k, whereas the same house in the area I live outside of Boston would cost $400k, and you couldn't buy a property with an equivalent amount of land attached at any price in the Bay area.

Re:Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446 by frgtpsswrdlame on Thursday April 19, 2018 @03:54PM (#16879521)
Yeah but that's my point. They each make $15/hr and they're 'alright.' A few of the other commenters who have chimed in here also match what my experience has been, mainly that $15/hr in rural areas isn't bad but it's not really good either. It allows you to get into the bottom end of the middle class but that's about it. It's certainly not 'kingly' and usually doesn't provide the sort of safety net people need to really feel comfortable either.
Re:Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446 by scarface74 on Thursday April 19, 2018 @04:07PM (#16879626)
So should we be subsidizing everyone so they "live like kings"?

My son is making about $30K a year ($2000 a month) and I helped him do his budget so I know what his expenses are:

Rent - $600

Car note - $300

Car Insurance - $250

Utilities - $350

That leaves him about $500 a month for "everything else".

Yes that puts him on the edge and thanks to the ACA he's still covered under our insurance until he turns 26 and if he needs a car repair we help him.

Two conclusions:

I think we should have universal health care as a nation.

If we had better mass transit, people wouldn't need cars and it would make finding a job easier.

According to the gross up calculator at psycheckcity.com he would need to make around $16.50/hour or $34000 a year to have enough cushion for things that happen. Strangely enough, that was also the salary I needed 20 years ago before I could make it on my own without asking my parents for help. I made that my first year out of college as a computer operator.

This is in metro Atlanta not podunk nowhere USA.

Re:Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446 by scarface74 on Thursday April 19, 2018 @03:46PM (#16879431)
why are you assuming that there is only one income?
Re:Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446 by sol_remmy on Thursday April 19, 2018 @02:48PM (#16878842)
> I find it gross that..

Can you leave the mock disgust behind? You probably live in an urban/suburban area just like the rest of us, yet your lecturing us.

$14 an hour is not as bad as you think. Median nursing salary in England = 23000 pounds = 32300 usd. So the median amazon warehouse worker makes 82.5% of what the median nurse makes in the U.K. Is that really so bad?

Re:Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446 by thirdsun on Friday April 20, 2018 @01:29AM (#16882359)
You can't compare absolute wages between the US and europe. This kind of money will buy you a way better life in europe if you consider health care, social security and overall working conditions.
Re:Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446 by deadmetheny on Thursday April 19, 2018 @03:11PM (#16879063)
I do live in a rural area of the USA, and I can verify that making $14/hr is enough to live a modest lower middle class lifestyle around here. Is that good enough for you?

A lot of people here have preconceived notions about the living conditions of non-coastal areas and, to be frank, it gets old. OP is correct to lecture people because they are completely fucking correct in most cases.

Re:Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446 by falcolas on Thursday April 19, 2018 @03:06PM (#16879015)
As someone currently living in a "banjo playing area" (Bozeman, Montana), yeah, $14 will barely cover a studio apartment in town. You could afford an apartment in the next town over, but it would be a good 40% of your income, and now you either own a winter-capable car or walk 5-6 miles for the bus. The next city out to the west, well, you can't get a house for less than $400,000 (basically a retirement settlement). Go east you're going to be stuck on the wrong side of the pass about 1/4 of the winter.

You've got to get somewhere around 30-40 miles out of the city to buy a house on $14 an hour (assuming the 20% of income rule of thumb).

Re:Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446 by epicureanideal on Thursday April 19, 2018 @02:48PM (#16878847)
Yeah, even in the cheapest parts of the US, $14/hr at best would make you "upper lower class" or "lower middle class", meaning consistently able to pay your rent for an apartment. Or possibly, if you're really really good with your money otherwise and also manage to save for years without any medical expenses, start buying a small condo or half of a duplex. But that's not kingly for sure.
Re:Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446 by scarface74 on Thursday April 19, 2018 @03:45PM (#16879416)
According to paycheckcity.com - assuming you get paid holidays - that's about $2000 a month in GA after taxes. There are plenty of places in GA and even metro Atlanta where you could live off of that.