Re:Amazon warehouse workers 'peed in bottles' fearing punish...
by knieveltech on Monday April 16, 2018 @01:23PM
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Please explain this "need" for exploitative jobs. Edit: No, I'm serious, I want someone to supply an internally consistent rationale that explains why corporations or society in general requires someone getting fucked over to function.
Re:Amazon warehouse workers 'peed in bottles' fearing punish...
by fastball on Monday April 16, 2018 @02:40PM
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In OP's parlance, a shit job is an exploitative job.
He is saying that through progress there are fewer "shit" jobs, so there are fewer people exploited.
It never has been and never will be economically viable to pay a ditch digger the same amount as a doctor. So as long as jobs like ditch-digging exists, people must be "exploited" to fill them.
Re:Amazon warehouse workers 'peed in bottles' fearing punish...
by knieveltech on Monday April 16, 2018 @03:48PM
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I don't think this meets specification. "it never has been and never will be economically viable" scans as handwavy, and I've yet to see anyone calling for "ditch diggers" (job automated out of existence by heavy equipment several decades ago, btw) a wage equivalent to what an MD makes. Your assertion, in essence, appears to be that people get paid low wages because low wage jobs exist. That does nothing to explain why a job sufficiently important to require a human being to perform is low-paying and so far nobody has advanced an explanation that takes into account historic levels of corporate profits and income inequality while wages have been basically stagnant since the 70s.
Re:Amazon warehouse workers 'peed in bottles' fearing punish...
by castle-bravo on Monday April 16, 2018 @02:20PM
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I think what the parent post is saying is that exploitative labour practices enable the existence of elites with enough leisure time to create philosophical and technological progress. It's basically the argument that there would be no great classical civilization without slavery, so slavery is justified by the achievements of the civilizations that used it.
I would like to think that in the 21st century we could have idleness for many, and abusive exploitation for none.
It is not the case in developed countries. For example, we don't increase food production by just adding more farmers with hand tools. We have mechanical engineers making more efficient machines, chemists producing better fertilizers, scientists studying plant growth, etc... These people need a high level of education, which mean they need the time and resources to study. People starving won't make the skilled workers employers need.
What really enables exploitative jobs is the need for exploitative jobs.