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Re:The Crystal Programming Language by actsasbuffoon on Sunday April 15, 2018 @10:56PM (#16846378)
Actually, you can have both. Many languages in the ML family (Haskell, F#, etc.) can ensure complete type safety without having to define the shape up-front.

Your data comes out of the JSON structure wrapped in a functor, and you can only access it in ways that deal with missing data.

It’s hypothetically possible to recreate this approach in Python, but I don’t think it would be Pythonic.

Re:The Crystal Programming Language by 013a on Monday April 16, 2018 @06:27PM (#16853419)
Its hypothetically possible to recreate this approach in any language. Grab the item in the map at that key -> check that it exists -> check that the type is what you expect.

Its not idiomatic in most mainstream languages. Except, that's how most JSON libraries which validate against a static structure are implemented, they just abstract the reflection away via some interface.

Re:The Crystal Programming Language by actsasbuffoon on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @05:37PM (#16862529)
> Its hypothetically possible to recreate this approach in any language.

Yes, I didn't mean to imply that I was providing an exhaustive list of languages where this approach could be implemented. I merely mentioned Python because it had been brought up several times in the thread.

> Grab the item in the map at that key -> check that it exists -> check that the type is what you expect.

I'd argue with that phrasing. You don't check for the key, nor do you check the type. That would imply something like an if-statement to ensure the presence of a key, and switching over a type. In such a system, you could forget to check for null, or make some other mistake that causes the program to fail at run time.

The functor approach does not rely on the developer checking anything. It is 100% type safe, enforced by the type system, cannot crash at run time, and does not require you to provide a data type to extract the data into.

Re:The Crystal Programming Language by IshKebab on Monday April 16, 2018 @06:13PM (#16853333)
That sounds like how you have to access JSON data dynamically in any statically typed language.
Re:The Crystal Programming Language by actsasbuffoon on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @05:28PM (#16862465)
But these other languages wouldn't necessarily remain type-safe.

The functor approach doesn't involve any type casting, and null pointer exceptions are impossible.

Re:The Crystal Programming Language by IshKebab on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @06:07AM (#16866070)
So, like this sort of thing:

int JsonValue::getAsInt(int defaultIfError);

Or, in Go:

func (JsonValue*) AsInt() (int64, error)

Or are you just talking about it returning the value as a Rust-style Result sum type?