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Re:Google loses ‘right to be forgotten’ case by smsm42 on Saturday April 14, 2018 @12:43AM (#16835912)
Where's a valid technological problem? I see the problem being that there's true information out there that is unpleasant to somebody, and that somebody wants to force others to not be able to access that information. It's not a technological problem. It may be a societal problem (e.g. we are supposed to forgive and forget, but instead we obsess over a mistake somebody made 30 years ago) but I don't see how it is a technological problem.

> solved more elegantly by creating anti-discrimination laws around criminal records

Such laws have a terrible record. What happens in reality is not that company says "screw it, we'll take a risk of hiring a criminal since we can't run a background check" but "we'll use next available statistical heuristic for being a criminal and if you have it we won't let you nowhere around 90% - we'd fail you much earlier and we'd build the process in a way that you can prove nothing". And if you're familiar with statistical heuristics they'd use - and note they're not trained statistician so they wouldn't go into such details as "bad sign for the whole population but good sign for this particular tiny subgroup", especially if they hire for a position where they have a large pool of candidates - you can imagine how discriminatory it would be in practice.

Re:Google loses ‘right to be forgotten’ case by greyman on Saturday April 14, 2018 @04:48AM (#16836538)
>> Where's a valid technological problem? I see the problem being that there's true information out there that is unpleasant to somebody, and that somebody wants to force others to not be able to access that information.

I feel it is basically a cultural issue. Many Europeans (including me) believe that the "right to be forgotten" is real, i.e. we want that right. Company with american cultural roots feels differently, so there's a clash. The main problem is that Google doesn't want to submit to our European culture; which is fine, they can fight in court.

Re:Google loses ‘right to be forgotten’ case by saimis on Saturday April 14, 2018 @05:04AM (#16836580)
I’m an European and I’m completeley against this kind of censoring. Europe is not homogenous, don’t generalize. And this right to be forgotten is not a “human right” it’s a second chance, a gift, that should be given cautiously. Next time some polititian will want something to be forgotten.
Re:Google loses ‘right to be forgotten’ case by drdaeman on Saturday April 14, 2018 @02:34PM (#16838737)
> Next time some politician

We had that in Russia since 2016, and your guess how it works is exactly correct (e.g. see Skrynnik vs Yandex case).

Re:Google loses ‘right to be forgotten’ case by Trundle on Saturday April 14, 2018 @08:27AM (#16837023)
If they declare it a right then it's a right. That's all that word means.
Re:Google loses ‘right to be forgotten’ case by smsm42 on Saturday April 14, 2018 @11:45AM (#16837792)
No, actually that's not what the word means. Otherwise you'd have no rights outside of what "they declare" - i.e. if "they" don't say you're human, you are not human and you have to agree with it. Nobody really believes in that.
Re:Google loses ‘right to be forgotten’ case by walshemj on Saturday April 14, 2018 @01:04PM (#16838212)
Depends a lot of European constitutions seem to be based on you plebs have the rights "we as in the king or other ellites" give you not inalienable rights.
Re:Google loses ‘right to be forgotten’ case by smsm42 on Saturday April 14, 2018 @11:44AM (#16837784)
Oh, there's nothing wrong with wanting to control other's thoughts and actions. I want everybody to give me money, for nothing, just out of sheer love to me, and execute every wish I have, quickly and eagerly. Believing others have an obligation to do it and you can use governmental coercion to force it and calling it "right" indeed sounds kinda bizarre. But then again, a lot of things in contemporary Europe look kinda bizarre to me...
Re:Google loses ‘right to be forgotten’ case by Guidii on Saturday April 14, 2018 @12:45PM (#16838116)
Thanks - it's helpful to hear your perspective on this.

What I don't understand though, is how this is supposed to help. If you want a fact to disappear, shouldn't you work that out with the publisher? Until you do that, it isn't really forgotten... just kind of badly remembered. I mean, people can still access that story as long as it's on the internet.

Re:Google loses ‘right to be forgotten’ case by simion314 on Saturday April 14, 2018 @04:01AM (#16836407)
you can be affected even if you did nothing illegal, say you were young and stupid and you were in some camp X(like a political party, or some gaming group, or some sect), then for some reason this things happen:

- the fact you were member of X and you done some comments gets a good Page Rank

- X becomes very unpopular, people that believed in X ideology are seen as idiots,racists,violent

- you got older and smarter and you realized your mistake

- you made some other good things during your life, like maybe won chess tournaments, volunteered,donated to charities,raise children

And the problem will be that your mistake will be on the top results on web search wile your good stuff will probably not be online or if it is will be on 3rd or 4rd web search page(the even where you won the chess competition has a bad page rank)

Many issues you can say are a society problem, like a murder, you can argue that the society is at fault for creating them, allowing guns, drogs, bad education.

So for this problem I think there should be some technical solution for affecting the page rank of some pages on Google or other searches in some conditions, and now we need to find some fair conditions when this should happen, maybe google could fix the algorithm to not give such a big page rank to this kind of stories in general.

Re:Google loses ‘right to be forgotten’ case by smsm42 on Saturday April 14, 2018 @04:36PM (#16839338)
Again, not a technical problem. If you think people shouldn't concentrate on what somebody did then they were young, Google has nothing to do with it. We can witness in US politics both how people are forgiven for being prominent KKK members and for drowning a woman while driving drunk and then fleeing the scene - and these people not just not become pariahs - they become an important politicians with millions voting for them. On the other hand, we witness high school shenanigans dug up and dissected, decades after, on TV and mass media. All these happened before Google even existed. We as society are capable both of forgiveness and of extreme un-forgiveness, if we want to. We can choose either, or do both, depending on our preferences. In either case, Google has nothing to it.