Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail
by icelancer on Friday April 13, 2018 @01:51PM
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>> It's like the secret discussion/chat system that uber uses, I can't find the name, that guarantees protection against legal discovery by encrypting the chat and making sure it is ephemeral.
Wickr, but while it guarantees protection from discovery, it doesn't guarantee freedom from implication. It is not legal to use such services to hide illegal activity, which is what Judge Alsup clearly laid out in the case. How would you know if illegal information was being traded? Because Uber management implied that employees should use Wickr if they were going to talk about anything illegal, which, uh, isn't something you want to do.
Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail
by carussell on Friday April 13, 2018 @04:47PM
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In fact, it can lead to worse outcomes than if you simply did nothing. In Apple v Samsung, the judge instructed the jury to assume that relevant evidence was destroyed and that said evidence would have been "favorable to Apple"—as a direct consequence of Samsung's email system, which as a rule only kept messages for 14 days.
https://www.nutter.com/pp/publication-Apple-v-Samsung-Electr...
https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=30282c16-31e3... (HTML version)
This is an augmentation to what postini had, and now in core G Suite, of defined retention periods for email. Now, users can make one-off decisions on a per-email basis.
It's like the secret discussion/chat system that uber uses, I can't find the name, that guarantees protection against legal discovery by encrypting the chat and making sure it is ephemeral.
There are valid (maybe not morally, but legally) reasons to have defined retention periods and this is a nice addition to that.
It does bring Google into the Apple privacy-is-our-business sphere in that cooperating parties that solely use gmail have much better assurance that they don't leave traces behind.