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Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by alexkavon on Friday April 13, 2018 @11:47AM (#16831122)
Waaaay too late on that. Just try setting up your own server and sending to a Gmail address.
Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by cs702 on Friday April 13, 2018 @11:54AM (#16831183)
They're going further: this would likely be incompatible with email services from other providers such as fastmail.
Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by CaptSpify on Friday April 13, 2018 @01:08PM (#16831866)
I do that all the time without any problems. What issues have you seen with it?
Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by nunodonato on Friday April 13, 2018 @01:41PM (#16832170)
marked as SPAM. I get that a lot
Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by _o_ on Saturday April 14, 2018 @05:56AM (#16836672)
DKIM sign emails and fix reverse resolving. Had that problem too, I was highly pissed off that DKIM signed emails were still regarded as spam, even if there is no way to forge them until I fixed reverse resolve.

Anyway, I dont know anyone relevant to me who is using gmail. Most of them are tehnical and they all stopped using gmail years ago, also more and more people are moving to self hosted solutions.

Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by squarefoot on Friday April 13, 2018 @02:03PM (#16832394)
Not good at all. This should happen only if one of your servers has been compromised and spits out spam that gets logged by Google. Does unmarking your email as spam by the recipient work? If not that would be an indication it's intentional.
Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by written on Saturday April 14, 2018 @01:24AM (#16836036)
Most of the big providers are shit, I wish I could shame them, but alas, I can not.

If I'm responding to e-mail from their users, I expect at least my initial response will get through. You really don't need any fancy crap like DKIM/SPF/nice IP addresses database/AI/bayes/etc. in this case to make the decision if e-mail is legitimate.

All my responses contain randomly generated ID of the message I'm responding to that nobody else than the sender and the intended recipient (me) can know. If it matches one of the e-mails their user sent me, say within a reasonable timeframe, and it's a first response or so, it is almost certainly genuine.

It just shows how little they give a crap about their own users, if they don't make such a simple check to make sure that their users can get responses to all sent emails.

Instead of making e-mail work, they're inventing bullshit like this new "expiring email" thing and making redesigns nobody asks for.

Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by CaptSpify on Friday April 13, 2018 @06:58PM (#16834644)
Interesting. I can't say that I ever get that, and I email Gmail a ton. I'm curious if Google outlines how to prevent getting considered SPAM or not. It could be that I've had my domain for >5 years as well.
Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by Jansemon on Saturday April 14, 2018 @08:42AM (#16837063)
Absolutely no problem if you set up your server correctly.
Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by pmlnr on Saturday April 14, 2018 @10:51AM (#16837536)
Half truth, the age of the domain matters.
Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by Jansemon on Monday April 16, 2018 @11:20AM (#16849560)
But how can they now that? I've got a German domain and denic doesn't list the registration date - only the last update...
Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by Spivak on Friday April 13, 2018 @01:56PM (#16832324)
An email server discriminating about what messages to accept is not breaking anything about the protocol or standards.