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Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by Someone1234 on Friday April 13, 2018 @11:14AM (#16830718)
Except in info-sec there's different degrees of information disclosure. You seem to be focused on mitigating disclosure to government, Google, or a rogue employee of either one but the scope is significantly larger and more diverse than that.

The biggest benefit of this is removing the email from archives, so weeks, months, or years later if the account gets compromised the gains are lower. For example an email with the subject "HIV Test Results" has a far different value with and without a body included.

A more down-to-earth example is I just sent my wife a W-2 via email for our taxes. I asked her to delete the email after downloading the document. But instead I could have just set an expiration on the contents and poof it is gone.

Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by e12e on Friday April 13, 2018 @01:13PM (#16831903)
There's a big difference between "self-destructing gmail" and "self-destructing email".

Even with the first, Google supports forwarding all mail to an arbitrary email address, which means the "Gmail" becomes a text-file stored on a dovecot server (or other regular mail server) somewhere.

So unless they break delivery (you can forward only some subset of emails) - there's no way for the sender to have any better guarantee than "please delete after reading".

At least the pgp spec has (had?) an "eyes only" flag that, while it didn't guarantee anything, at least meant compliant software would try hard to not leave a plain text copy on the filesystem.

Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by cat199 on Friday April 13, 2018 @01:28PM (#16832043)
> So unless they break delivery

Why break delivery when you can break sending?

just store the contents locally, and replace the body with some URL that the user has to click..

then, when non-gmail users have been desensitized to clicking links in emails 'because gmail', and get viruses constantly, sell them gmail as a way to have email without risk of viruses.

win win!

Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by e12e on Friday April 13, 2018 @05:53PM (#16834207)
Not sending the content is breaking delivery (of email). I mean, sure, replace the headers and mail body with a link to your gopher site or something. But at that point, you're not really delivering email anymore.
Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by johnchristopher on Friday April 13, 2018 @02:56PM (#16832912)
Isn't that how protonmail works for non protonmail users ?
Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by e12e on Friday April 13, 2018 @05:56PM (#16834226)
Yeah, and it's not really email either. Facebook started doing something similar for its "email notifications" a good while back. At one point, they sent the comment body in the email notification alerting you to a new comment - so you didn't have to use the (Web) app just to read a couple of lines of text. So they used to have email integration. These days they've settled for email annoyance.
Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by command on Friday April 13, 2018 @05:55PM (#16834223)
Only if the PM sender “encrypts” the message with a password.
Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by Boulth on Friday April 13, 2018 @03:36PM (#16833247)
> At least the pgp spec has (had?) an "eyes only" flag that,

Yes, there is a flag that means "for your eyes only", see RFC [0] and GPG esoteric options [1].

[0]: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880#section-5.9

[1]: https://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manuals/gnupg/GPG-Esoter...

Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by prepend on Friday April 13, 2018 @04:22PM (#16833594)
As a user of mail software, I don’t want the client determining what to show or not show against my wishes.

I’m organizing mail sent to me. 10k text files. The last thing I want is to debug why search isn’t finding the message because some vendor 4 years ago flagged their invoice with an expiration date.

This is not a function that as a receiver of email I want. So they can make a new protocol that I don’t use instead of overloading email.

Also, it’s a bit scary for some of the slippery slope possibilities. Will my filesystem do the same? The last thing I want is DRM checking every file.

Stuff on my machines is my data. If you don’t want me to have it, don’t send it to me. Etc etc.

Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by jehlakj on Friday April 13, 2018 @04:44PM (#16833753)
Seriously, this breaks the current definition of email that has been ingrained in every single person who has ever made an email account.

You receive and email. You assume that it’ll get stored in your inbox forever.

I almost want to say it’s a bug, not a feature. And I’m pretty open to software changes even if it’s a pain to get used to. But changing something as fundamental as the nature of emails in this regard gives rise to something other than an email.

Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by sgc on Friday April 13, 2018 @04:27PM (#16833629)
100%. What a crock this is. I would be required to do offline backups multiple times a day to keep a record. I deal with annoying tenants. Who would love their emails to disappear.
Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by 3pt14159 on Friday April 13, 2018 @12:20PM (#16831446)
As long as I can always override the feature on the receiving end then fine. I have an incredibly bad memory and I want my email account to listen to me, not someone else.
Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by ocdtrekkie on Friday April 13, 2018 @02:10PM (#16832459)
Outside of Gmail, they just won't be emailing you the content to begin with. It's another way to keep the data on Google's servers, you'll just get a link in the email to them.

Mind you, this is a better case than for Gmail users who will probably see the content inline with their mail, only for it to disappear later.

Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by 3pt14159 on Friday April 13, 2018 @03:27PM (#16833188)
I got bit by working with a design shop that used Basecamp then closed up shop. Since then I download all attachments and email them to myself for easy finding later.
Re:Google is testing expiring emails in the new Gmail by mtgx on Friday April 13, 2018 @03:06PM (#16833006)
Google wasn't even deleting data in Google Talk when I had specifically enabled the Off-the-Record feature. It just didn't show the previous chats between me and my friends, but it was still saving everything for itself.

So why would I believe Google now?