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Re:SpaceX's Valuation Climbs to $25B with New Funding Round by Robotbeat on Friday April 13, 2018 @12:05AM (#16827061)
That's just the initial system, and they'll be selling globally, not just in the US. It's still about 10 times the aggregate bandwidth of their nearest competitor (OneWeb) plus the later constellation is going to be much larger and more capable.

Additionally, there should be about 150-200 satellites above the US in the initial deployment.

They also plan to upgrade the satellites themselves (according to SpaceX's Mueller) so they're much larger. That should, in principle, allow them to exceed the per-satellite throughput of GSO birds like Viasat's which are over 1Tbps per bird.

They aren't competing with fiber in Denver. They're competing with high-latency and expensive satellite internet in rural areas. It's possible they may eventually dip into the cities a bit if they sell out their capacity and then build out their VLEO constellation (total of 12,000 or so satellites, but in much lower orbits enabling yet lower latency and higher bandwidth).

But Iridium's problem wasn't a lack of capacity, it was slow customer acquisition combined with very high interest rates and launch prices. If SpaceX fills up their network with customers to its capacity, they will be just fine.

Re:SpaceX's Valuation Climbs to $25B with New Funding Round by planteen on Friday April 13, 2018 @12:57AM (#16827221)
Iridium's problem was they didn't know who they were marketing service to. It seemed like a good idea before cell service was common and before roaming agreements. Those things were in place before the constellation was operational. So they tried to target international business travelers and failed. The restart of Iridium succeeded by selling to the US government. I wonder if Starlink has the same problem, at least in the US.

For rural areas, there are wireless ISPs for rural areas here in Colorado where you put an antenna on your roof. You get line of sight to an antenna on a nearby mountain for internet service. I don't see how Starlink can possibly compete with that on a technological or cost basis. It seems like most of the western US could have service like this for many rural markets, if it's not already available.

Re:SpaceX's Valuation Climbs to $25B with New Funding Round by Robotbeat on Friday April 13, 2018 @01:09AM (#16827259)
Regular satellite internet already provides price-per-gigabyte that is competitive (or superior to, in the case of Viasat) with mobile internet services. It's the latency that's lacking. With a LEO (and the then VLEO) constellation, Starlink could actually do better than some mobile internet providers as far as latency. 25-35 milliseconds for Starlink (maybe more in some cases) versus like 80-100 milliseconds for LTE providers (much worse for 4G and terrible for 3G).

So I definitely think Starlink could compete in that market. But more as an equal than as the only option.

Re:SpaceX's Valuation Climbs to $25B with New Funding Round by jjeaff on Friday April 13, 2018 @01:36AM (#16827348)
Latency? No, the problem is price and data caps.

If SpaceX is going to make huge returns on starlink, they will have to be price competitive with at least the DSL providers that are in many rural communities. Many of your remote rural areas in the US have at least 6 to 10mbps for ~$60 a month, and that's plenty for most casual users. Even for video streaming.

Re:SpaceX's Valuation Climbs to $25B with New Funding Round by BigJono on Friday April 13, 2018 @05:04AM (#16828189)
Keep in mind that 6-10mbps isn't going to be enough for casual users in a few years. Take gaming for example. Companies are regularly releasing 6-10 GB patches willy nilly because they assume their customers can download them in a matter of minutes/hours.

And that's now, when there's still large urban areas in a lot of countries on DSL. Once that DSL is phased out, rural areas are going to need better sattelite options or expensive long stretches of fibre to not fall behind the curve.

Re:SpaceX's Valuation Climbs to $25B with New Funding Round by Robotbeat on Friday April 13, 2018 @09:27AM (#16829740)
Fixed wireless plans also have data caps, and you can get satellite unlimited plans affordably now (with soft caps, but so does most everyone else), at speeds greater than DSL.

The main issue for rural satellite access is no longer bandwidth or even data caps but latency.

And if you have DSL in rural areas, count yourself lucky.

Re:SpaceX's Valuation Climbs to $25B with New Funding Round by planteen on Friday April 13, 2018 @08:53AM (#16829476)
I'm not talking about competing with mobile networks. I'm talking about fixed wireless service.
Re:SpaceX's Valuation Climbs to $25B with New Funding Round by bparsons on Friday April 13, 2018 @01:12AM (#16827274)
What about places with no mountains?

What about mobile users?

Re:SpaceX's Valuation Climbs to $25B with New Funding Round by planteen on Friday April 13, 2018 @09:05AM (#16829580)
Antennas on towers, like for cell networks.

Starlink doesn't work for mobile users, either.