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Re:Goodbye ICOs, hello ILPs? by JumpCrisscross on Thursday April 12, 2018 @07:35PM (#16825880)
> Worked for Uber

Uber deliberately broke rules in an effort to change them and went into their fights willing to pay the penalties. That’s civil disobedience. They didn’t argue the rules wouldn’t be enforced because of regulatory competition or whatever.

Furthermore, when Uber broke the rules it was their asses on the line. They had a terrific record of reimbursing drivers who got fined for taxi violations. With ILPs, in the other hand, we have some rando encouraging others to take stupid bets.

Night and day.

Re:Goodbye ICOs, hello ILPs? by s73v3r_ on Thursday April 12, 2018 @10:51PM (#16826821)
"Uber deliberately broke rules in an effort to change them"

Care to show me where Uber lobbied for changing of the taxi laws? Last I saw, they were just fine with those still existing, so long as they were exempt.

Re:Goodbye ICOs, hello ILPs? by trhway on Friday April 13, 2018 @12:15AM (#16827092)
>That’s civil disobedience.

no. To me it looks more like RICO as Uber leadership never risked to be subjected to any punishment. The rank-and-file were actually violating the local laws and were caught/cited/fined.

>They had a terrific record of reimbursing drivers who got fined for taxi violations.

"your family will be well taken care of" :)

Re:Goodbye ICOs, hello ILPs? by ada1981 on Thursday April 12, 2018 @07:47PM (#16825950)
>> That’s civil disobedience <<

Please refrain from putting Travis K. in the same category as Rosa Parks.

Re:Goodbye ICOs, hello ILPs? by JumpCrisscross on Thursday April 12, 2018 @07:50PM (#16825965)
> Please refrain from putting Travis K. in the same category as Rosa Parks

Civil disobedience isn’t inherently good, momentous nor socially activistic. (See the story behind Homer Plessy [1], who was hired by railroad owners in a bid to cut costs related to a segregationist state law. It famously backfired when SCOTUS created “separate but equal”.)

It is simply “the active, professed refusal of a citizen to obey certain laws of the state, and/or demands, orders, and commands of a government” [2].

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homer_Plessy

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience

Re:Goodbye ICOs, hello ILPs? by hndamien on Thursday April 12, 2018 @08:23PM (#16826130)
This is exactly what you are rallying against here in your quote.

"This is a toxic attitude. “Don’t worry if you’re breaking the law; they’ll have to change to stay relevant!”"

Uber X enabled a cheaper form of public transport by adding some efficiencies, but also by actively skirting regulation that was in place for Hire Cars and Taxis (that also made them more expensive options) that was designed for public safety.

Following this, Governments changed laws to allow for this new class of driver with new regulations that lowered the cost of compliance.

This is exactly the same as a new financial instrument designed to allow some other form of innovative public good that breaches current regulations that were designed for safety. With the expectation that regulation will ave to change for them.

In both cases the regulations being breached were designed for some kind of public safety. The breakers believed they were delivering some kind of greater good. I'm not saying the method is right or wrong... it appears to get results.

Re:Goodbye ICOs, hello ILPs? by ada1981 on Friday April 13, 2018 @12:00AM (#16827044)
As far as I can tell, your history is a bit confused.

I've never read anything about Plessy being "hired" by railroad owners - rather there was a civil rights group, the Citizens Committe, who were comprised of a variety of folks opposed to the seperste car act.

They asked Plessy to voulenteer to be test case, to which he agreed. (And yes, it did backfire).

The railroad company was an ally to the cause due to costs of adding more cars, so they agreed to help.

Also, while that sentence does come from Wikipedia definition, I've never heard it used outside the scope of activism / civil rights work in 35+ years of activist work.