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Re:Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally by ggregoire on Monday April 09, 2018 @11:20AM (#16793726)
Sadly I've seen this comparison so many times this last week on HN. Seems like common sense leaves some people when we talk about their country.
Re:Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally by sakabaro on Monday April 09, 2018 @11:35AM (#16793905)
You are making the wrong assumptions. I am a EU citizen, but live in the US. I will vote in an heartbeat for a 1st amendment like in an Europe law. You just don’t see how Europe speech is reatricted, and how laws like GDPR contributes to it.
Re:Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally by pluma on Monday April 09, 2018 @11:51AM (#16794051)
I'm an EU citizen and I disagree, so I guess that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Re:Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally by sakabaro on Monday April 09, 2018 @02:47PM (#16795788)
You won't vote to protect free speech?
Re:Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally by pluma on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @05:31AM (#16800092)
You're moving the goalposts. Your statement suggested you want a US-style "1st amendment" in Europe. I don't. That has nothing to do with "free speech" as a concept.

Under the US interpretation of free speech political donations are protected as "speech" and politicians can go on TV and say they want someone to be murdered and not face any consequences.

I'm German so you can imagine why I fundamentally disagree with that notion, even if our laws are sometimes a bit too strict (though that often has more to do with post-WW2 denazification than free speech in particular -- e.g. not being allowed to put nazi symbology in video games, not even as enemies).

UK libel laws and their advertising code are another example of European laws being a bit too strict. But even that is something I'd prefer over the "law of the strongest" in the US.

EDIT: Free speech is obviously a great idea and an important right, but the problem with freedoms and rights is that they can't be absolutes when you live in a society with other people you want to share those rights and freedoms ("your liberty to swing your fist ends where my nose begins"). Additionally some of those freedoms and rights are mutually exclusive so you need to define an order of precedence. Even free speech absolutists generally draw the line somewhere (e.g. generally violence isn't considered speech even if it is a form of expression and few people would defend the right to shout "fire" in a crowded building and not facing the consequences of the resulting mayhem).

In other words "being willing to defend free speech" is a meaningless platitude unless you first define what you consider the acceptable limits of that freedom.

Re:Facebook urged to make GDPR its “baseline standard” globally by cocacola1 on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:46PM (#16797641)
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