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Re:Richest 1% on target to own two-thirds of all wealth by 2030 by coliveira on Saturday April 07, 2018 @03:49PM (#16782496)
First of all it is an illusion to say that conditions have improved because of capitalism alone. In most of the places where people had some improvement, this happened because of socialist policies of wealth redistribution lead by the state, including in the USA. If you go back to the US of the 1910-1930s, most people lived in near poverty, with the "dream" of one day becoming something else, until a socialist plan of wealth redistribution called new deal was implemented.

Second, wealth inequality is a direct threat to the democratic system. In a country that has extreme levels of wealth concentration as we see here in the US and elsewhere, it is very easy to enact policies that harm society in general in benefit of the minority that holds economic power. This in fact was the downfall of capitalist society in the 1920s. In such a society, there is big turmoil among the general population, which frequently leads to revolutions and economic disasters. We are just starting to see this pattern happening the the US, with increasingly big economic calamities such as in 2008 and political turmoil such as the election of Trump. I wouldn't be surprised if the US and similar countries are heading towards a popular revolution as we saw in the 19th and early 20th centuries.

Re:Richest 1% on target to own two-thirds of all wealth by 2030 by JoeAltmaier on Saturday April 07, 2018 @03:55PM (#16782525)
Further, even if we give 'capital' a pass (the use of imaginary points to grease the wheels of trade) and move on to the Free Market. A market works if everybody has something to trade there. For those that bring only their labor (whether ditch digging, medicine or engineering) they have a finite value over their lifetime - they will never be wealthy as the top 1% are.

Now automate. We no longer need the labor of millions to run the machine (country's industry). We need only a million. Then only a hundred thousand. Then none. What happens to the 'laborers'? They are dropped out of the bottom of the machine as scrap.

Its this 'means of production' that gets us into trouble - when a few folks squat on it and call it 'theirs', the rest of us are reduce to marginal participants in the machine, expendable.

Automation is happening in the US at an explosive rate. Heard about a factory coming back from China? Only because now even Chinese labor is too expensive, if you can automate. There are insignificant jobs 'coming back'. And there never will be any more, again.

No, the age of labor is nearly over. And what will the millions of us do then?

Re:Richest 1% on target to own two-thirds of all wealth by 2030 by coliveira on Saturday April 07, 2018 @05:51PM (#16783210)
This just points out that capitalism as it is practiced nowadays is unsustainable. Not news, of course, the general functioning of the system is known since the 19th century, but the shoes are starting to drop. Since technological revolutions happen so fast, I wonder if we're already seeing the beginnings of the downfall of all this.
Re:Richest 1% on target to own two-thirds of all wealth by 2030 by iguy on Saturday April 07, 2018 @06:09PM (#16783292)
If you go back to the US of the 1910-1930s, most people lived in near poverty, ... until a socialist plan of wealth redistribution called new deal was implemented.

Actually the USA in 1910 was the richest society the planet had ever seen. This was why half of Europe was busy trying to move there, to start at the bottom. (It was poor by today's standards, of course.) It's a lie to claim they got rich "because of socialist policies".

The depression was a brief dip in the growth of the income of the average guy, over let's say 1870-1970. Things went backwards by the equivalent of about 15 years or progress (on average! it was rough for some). The effect of the new deal on ending this, or perhaps prolonging it, is a confusing issue. Certainly it paid some people's wages, and hit some rich people hard (and had non-economic implications too), but my understanding is that there's a serious argument that, without such action, the depression might have been sharper & shorter, like the 19th C ones.

Re:Richest 1% on target to own two-thirds of all wealth by 2030 by coliveira on Sunday April 08, 2018 @12:57PM (#16787002)
Do you know that real people need to EAT, right? If the big depression had been even worse, it wouldn't matter if it were shorter, because most people would be dead at the end. Humans can only go a few days without food and basic necessities. This shows why conservative thinking is a dead end.
Re:Richest 1% on target to own two-thirds of all wealth by 2030 by iguy on Monday April 09, 2018 @05:38AM (#16791594)
Are you claiming that there was starvation in the 19th C depressions, England / USA? This would be news historians.

Besides differences in government response, the other big difference was that employment had become more secure, more long-term, more Henry Ford and less Charles Dickens. You could indeed argue that this made it more serious. Compare a 20% drop in employment which meant 4 days a week for everyone (because they were all casual, factory or farm) vs 1/5 of workers (who thought they had jobs for life) being unemployed for years.

Re:Richest 1% on target to own two-thirds of all wealth by 2030 by coliveira on Monday April 09, 2018 @09:21AM (#16792737)
> Are you claiming that there was starvation in the 19th C depressions

I am not claiming nothing of this. But everyone knows the huge toil of the great depression on poor workers. The only reason why the new deal was enacted is that people were on the verge of revolt. If the recession had been any worse, there would be blood on the streets and even more people would starve to death, and possibly the US government would be overthrow by communists who were very active at the time. That's the fundamental reason why these silly ideas pushed by conservatives never come to fruition: a completely free market is guaranteed to lead to revolution sooner or later.

Re:Richest 1% on target to own two-thirds of all wealth by 2030 by iguy on Sunday April 15, 2018 @07:25AM (#16842213)
Oh I don't doubt that the new deal was politically a good idea. Blood on the streets is bad for one's re-election prospects. And communist overthrows certainly produce lots of blood.

I'm just dubious of claims that it was economically a great idea, especially in the long run. This seems to be unclear from the data, looking back from a safe distance.