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Re:Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier by lisper on Saturday April 07, 2018 @12:05AM (#16779313)
> Stated so, that is plausible. However, "it is possible to engineer a system that never fails to detect that it has failed" is not

They seem the same to me. In fact, in 27 years you are the first person to voice this concern.

> I claim that any subset of states which is amenable to this level of detectability will exclude some other states that any normal person would also consider to be "failure".

Could be, but that would be a publishable result. So... publish it and then we can discuss.

Re:Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier by gowld on Saturday April 07, 2018 @03:10AM (#16779747)
What happens if all your sensors fail, including the one that senses the failure of your sensors? What happens if the power source disconnects?
Re:Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier by lisper on Saturday April 07, 2018 @10:33AM (#16780855)
Having all your sensors fail is actually a very easy case. Imagine if all of your sensors failed: suddenly you could not see, hear, feel, smell, or taste... do you think it would be hard to tell that something was wrong?
Re:Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier by thaumasiotes on Saturday April 07, 2018 @01:58PM (#16781831)
Having your sensors fail doesn't mean they're not providing data. It means they're not providing accurate data. In humans, we would call this hallucinating, and humans in fact cannot generally tell that they are hallucinating.
Re:Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier by lisper on Saturday April 07, 2018 @02:08PM (#16781883)
> Having your sensors fail doesn't mean they're not providing data.

That is one possible failure mode. But you're right, it's not the only one.

There is an extensive literature on how to detect and correct sensor errors resulting from all kinds of different failure modes.