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Re:SpaceX can't broadcast Earth images because of a murky li... by jacquesm on Friday April 06, 2018 @10:03AM (#16773280)
> More than likely, that's because the commercial companies who needed the license got the license.

More likely: they just woke up to the possibility of showing the world they exist.

> Probably because the technology on this payload fall under the requirements of the law to need it, and the company who owns the payload didn't get the license.

I don't see what it has to do with payloads.

> Or, NOAA was unaware of the satellites until now and realize they need to follow up.

It's not about the satellites, it is about the launches, specifically video from orbit.

Re:SpaceX can't broadcast Earth images because of a murky li... by notahacker on Friday April 06, 2018 @10:26AM (#16773459)
> More likely: they just woke up to the possibility of showing the world they exist.

I mean, the only evidence we've got is an article which quite clearly states that (i) SpaceX were the ones who contacted NOAA (ii) NOAA did not contact SpaceX regarding other launches, say it was SpaceX's responsibility to contact them and they don't think they have the resources to go chasing unlicensed remote sensing companies anyway (iii) Cameras on launches SpaceX carries out for government don't actually need permits anyway, which probably applies to a lot of SpaceX launches

So I'm not sure what gives you the confidence to confidently assert that it's "more likely" the precise opposite happened?

Re:SpaceX can't broadcast Earth images because of a murky li... by jacquesm on Friday April 06, 2018 @10:30AM (#16773491)
You are conveniently leaving out the bit from TFA that states that NOAA only recently started to enforce this particular part of their charter.

That is why SpaceX contacted them. If they had not and they had launched without obtaining permission and streamed the footage there would have been a nice 'gotcha' moment and they tried to avoid that.

> Cameras on launches SpaceX carries out for government don't actually need permits anyway.

So what's the point on restricting them on other launches? That proves this whole thing is high grade bullshit.

Re:SpaceX can't broadcast Earth images because of a murky li... by notahacker on Friday April 06, 2018 @11:02AM (#16773751)
I am "conveniently" leaving it out because it is a vaguely worded "appears..." piece of journalese which contradicts the rest of the article and established fact. Nobody has disputed that SpaceX contacted NOAA first, there's no dispute that they process 40-odd applications every year, no dispute that the policy of licensing remote sensing has been in effect for a long time, amended more than once and that recent moves in the legislature (recent as in a couple of years ago, so SpaceX really had time to notice) have been proposals to relax it rather than to strengthen it.

And yeah, also no dispute that the government grants missions planned by its own agencies a remote sensing license - can't imagine why you would expect it to be otherwise tbh? But agreed, enough indents :-)

Re:SpaceX can't broadcast Earth images because of a murky li... by kop316 on Friday April 06, 2018 @10:27AM (#16773464)
My fault, I read it incorrectly.
Re:SpaceX can't broadcast Earth images because of a murky li... by jacquesm on Friday April 06, 2018 @10:32AM (#16773515)
No problem. It's a pretty messed up article to begin with.

First they state that NOAA only recently started enforcing this, then they talk about SpaceX applying belatedly and finally there is the whole confusion about the bit where NOAA's charter only comes into play when they reach orbit, which removes most of the reasons they could be worried about in the first place.

Re:SpaceX can't broadcast Earth images because of a murky li... by kop316 on Friday April 06, 2018 @11:02AM (#16773752)
Yeah this article is very confusing. I said it in an earlier comment, it wouldn't surprise me if another government agency (DoD, NSA, CIA) saw what SpaceX is doing, saw they didn't have a license, and got NOAA in trouble, and now they are trying to do their due diligence and got caught in a cross fire.
Re:SpaceX can't broadcast Earth images because of a murky li... by jacquesm on Friday April 06, 2018 @11:10AM (#16773815)
That's an interesting viewpoint and maybe explains some of the weirdness around this whole affair.

Even so, it is hard for me to imagine what DoD, NSA or CIA might have in terms of reasons why low resolution video transmission from space would be problematic, especially since for other launches the 'from orbit' videos are not deemed a problem and from where I'm sitting they are functionally identical and potentially more problematic (because they are government launches).