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Re:Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier by davewritescode on Friday April 06, 2018 @09:47AM (#16773158)
The problem is autopilot actively engages you even less than highway driving. I argue this exacerbates some of the problems that cause humans to checkout.

I don't know what the answer is but it feels like GM's super cruise does a more adequate job of acknowledging the realistic limits of the technology and explicitly white lists roads where the technology is available for use.

I personally think that without some sort of sensors or beacons in the road, autonomous driving via camera and LIDAR sesnors is ever going to be good enough to achieve level 5 autonomous operation.

Re:Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier by maxerickson on Friday April 06, 2018 @10:13AM (#16773350)
I think the world modeling is the part that autonomous cars can obviously be better at. They have all sorts of advantages over humans; access to much more detailed maps than the average person can recall, multiple types of sensors pointed in multiple directions, a system designed to integrate all that information in a way that is advantageous for driving (we have a system evolved for whatever it evolved for) and so on.

It's the sophisticated behaviors necessary to safely drive through that world model that are the issue.

The success of emergency breaking systems (that aren't advertised as "driving" assist) are pretty good evidence that the sensors can serve well as input to safe behaviors.

Re:Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier by bradstewart on Friday April 06, 2018 @10:43AM (#16773575)
If a human can navigate current roads, why shouldn't a computer be able to? We may need to develop a new types of sensors for vehicles, but that seems like a better/easier plan than installing beacons on every road, everywhere.

And what about beacon maintenance? Seems like most cities have a hard enough time keeping up with pot holes, lines, etc. as is.

Re:Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier by monochromatic on Friday April 06, 2018 @11:24AM (#16773934)
If a human can write a novel, why shouldn’t a computer be able to?
Re:Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier by bradstewart on Wednesday April 11, 2018 @09:26AM (#16810837)
I have no reason to believe a computer cannot write a novel.
Re:Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier by 411mrc on Friday April 06, 2018 @12:11PM (#16774358)
They probably need to be able to reproduce before they can write a compelling novel.
Re:Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier by iainmerrick on Friday April 06, 2018 @09:50AM (#16773183)
Beacons is a great idea -- have some standardized beacon system, and a public map of autopilot-approved roads.

Following the beacons safely would be a vastly easier problem than trying to completely replace a human driver in all situations, but it would still give you about 90% of the benefits.

Re:Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier by tqkxzugoaupvwqr on Friday April 06, 2018 @12:19PM (#16774411)
Lines fade away because there is little money for maintenance but beacons that cost multiples are the solution?

The first thing I thought when I read beacons: Hackers are going to have a field day with them. Add malicious beacons to streets and cars will drive off road at high speeds.

Re:Another Tesla on autopilot steers towards a barrier by iainmerrick on Friday April 06, 2018 @05:25PM (#16777594)
Well, look at cat’s eyes (sometimes called Botts’ dots in the US, I think?)

I assume they’re more expensive to install than just painting a few lines, but they’re very robust and long-lasting, and they’re fantastic for human drivers. It’s not a stretch to imagine something similarly useful for computerized cars, that links to a standard road database.

Hacking is a risk, sure. I envisage you’d lock it down by having a cryptographically signed master map; if the observed beacons diverge from the map, the autopilot system would refuse to proceed. (OK, I guess that allows a DoS attack at least.)