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Re:Rackspace Shuts Down Koran-Burning Web Site by rbanffy on Thursday September 09, 2010 @03:08PM (#1676490)
Can you sign off a right your constitution gives you?
Re:Rackspace Shuts Down Koran-Burning Web Site by tptacek on Thursday September 09, 2010 @03:17PM (#1676522)
That's a nonsense question, because the Constitution doesn't give you the right to use Rackspace's computers in the first place. Rackspace owns them, and has the understandable perception that it's their choice how they get used, not 'rbanffy's.
Re:Rackspace Shuts Down Koran-Burning Web Site by bluesnowmonkey on Thursday September 09, 2010 @04:21PM (#1676779)
Counter-example: You own a bookstore located in a mall -- leased space. The mall's managing company says you are no longer allowed to sell Bibles.

Now I'll apply your logic.

"The Constitution doesn't give you the right to use that mall space in the first place. The mall owns it, and has the understandable perception that it's their choice how it gets used, not yours."

Hopefully you can see that something has gone wrong, regardless of legal compliance. Freedom is neither bestowed by a piece of paper nor by men with guns or gavels. It is a cultural trait manifest in our actions. We're not free unless we live like free people.

Would you call yourself a musician if you had no instrument to play? How can you claim to have free speech, if your medium of communication is removed whenever you try to say something unpopular?

Re:Rackspace Shuts Down Koran-Burning Web Site by tptacek on Thursday September 09, 2010 @04:40PM (#1676859)
Counter-counter-example: you operate a mall and the Ku Klux Klan wants to lease one of your shops.

Note that discrimination because of "race, color, religion, national origin, sex, handicap or familial status" in the sale or rental of real estate is unlawful under the FHA only in the housing market.

What's your point? The issue here isn't whether I think people should or shouldn't be allowed to burn the Koran; it's "what does the 1st Amendment mean?"

Re:Rackspace Shuts Down Koran-Burning Web Site by rbanffy on Thursday September 09, 2010 @04:50PM (#1676895)
The understanding of the 1st amendment is your straw man. By refuting it you believe you successfully refute the argument that this is, in effect, a disturbing form of limitation of free speech by a private corporation who happens to own the machines used to manifest the speech they disagree with.
Re:Rackspace Shuts Down Koran-Burning Web Site by daychilde on Thursday September 09, 2010 @03:19PM (#1676531)
Not quite the issue here.

You absolutely have the right to free speech in the US. But any owner of private property can pretty much ban you from that property, for example (there are certainly some protected exceptions, but in general 'the law' is on their side).

Similarly, Rackspace has the right to stop servicing their customer if they feel the customer has violated the contract. Now, whether or not a court has to step in to determine the validity of the contract, etc, is a completely separate issue.

But this most certainly all has absolutely nothing to do with constitutionally protected speech.

Re:Rackspace Shuts Down Koran-Burning Web Site by twymer on Thursday September 09, 2010 @03:30PM (#1676582)
I feel like it's important to compare this to things in the "real world".

You have the right to free speech, but you're probably going to be quickly ordered to leave a church if you begin swearing loudly.

You have the right to bear arms, but buildings are free to forbid you bring in weapons of any sort.

Re:Rackspace Shuts Down Koran-Burning Web Site by rbanffy on Thursday September 09, 2010 @03:54PM (#1676676)
I am not sure the analogies work. It's a Rackspace server on a Rackspace datacenter but nobody is swearing loudly in or carrying weapons into Rackspace's offices.
Re:Rackspace Shuts Down Koran-Burning Web Site by twymer on Thursday September 09, 2010 @07:35PM (#1677342)
The weapons being a legal sense. Despite having the legal right to concealed carry, a building can forbid you from bringing it inside.

They are all just cases of someone who is providing a service being able to give stipulations over what can occur there. A church won't let you swear, some places don't want you to concealed carry, and a hosting provider doesn't want you to organize hatred.

Re:Rackspace Shuts Down Koran-Burning Web Site by rbanffy on Thursday September 09, 2010 @03:29PM (#1676577)
> can pretty much ban you from that property

In effect, you have your free speech curtailed because you have to express it using someone else's property. Companies like Rackspace may prevent your free speech from reaching anyone for any reason that fits the contract you signed.

Re:Rackspace Shuts Down Koran-Burning Web Site by MichaelSalib on Thursday September 09, 2010 @04:18PM (#1676769)
Surely you've heard of the old saying that "freedom of the press is limited to those who presses", right?
Re:Rackspace Shuts Down Koran-Burning Web Site by rbanffy on Thursday September 09, 2010 @06:47PM (#1677230)
Re:Rackspace Shuts Down Koran-Burning Web Site by MichaelSalib on Thursday September 09, 2010 @07:54PM (#1677393)
No, it is not important. Adolescent wish fulfillment does not automatically become important just because you think it is awesome.
Re:Rackspace Shuts Down Koran-Burning Web Site by jeebusroxors on Thursday September 09, 2010 @03:42PM (#1676635)
The constitution does not give you any rights.