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Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by reacweb on Thursday April 05, 2018 @05:11AM (#16763152)
If all the engineers who have a sense of ethic refuse to work for military projects, it implies that military projects will be performed by less ethical than average people. It is frightening. IMHO, avoiding military projects because of ethic is counterproductive.
Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by kevinmchugh on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:30PM (#16766363)
Richard Gatling thought his most famous invention would cause wars to be shorter and less brutal. More deaths faster would mean faster surrenders, he thought. He is a weapons inventor who thought he was doing something ethical.

Instead, he made war and death cheaper. He made it more likely. In his lifetime, machine guns were deployed asymmetrically, making it cheaper for colonial empires to kill large numbers of the colonized.

Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by supertrope on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:37PM (#16768215)
Alfred Nobel thought so too with dynamite.

"Perhaps my factories will put an end to war sooner than your congresses: on the day that two army corps can mutually annihilate each other in a second, all civilised nations will surely recoil with horror and disband their troops."

Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by spdionis on Friday April 06, 2018 @08:20AM (#16772612)
Isn't that what is kinda happening with nuclear weapons though? I would argue we have less armed conflict nowadays exactly for the reasoning in that quote. Dynamite did not really allow for two army corps to mutually annihilate each other in a second, nuclear weapons actually do.
Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by kevinmchugh on Friday April 06, 2018 @04:09PM (#16776929)
Nuclear weapons didn't stop wars, and they didn't stop major powers from fighting each other. It just moved to proxy wars. Proxy wars have been common for a long time. Maybe they've stopped world wars, but maybe the two World Wars were exceptions and not a guaranteed feature. I don't know how to quantify whether there are greater or fewer armed conflicts between states since the invention of nuclear weapons.
Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by sangnoir on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:44PM (#16768650)
It appears this is repeating trope- these inventors of highly effective killing machines did not consider that the increased rate of killing would be matched by an increase in mobilizing cannon-fodder.

Some genius in the near-future will probably make the same inaccurate prediction about autonomous killerbots, or more likely realistically, cyber-warfare (I hate that term): "Shutting down hospitals, power plants and other critical infrastructure will make wars shorter"

Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by kevinmchugh on Friday April 06, 2018 @04:02PM (#16776873)
This is essentially the argument for targetting the Iranian nuclear program with stuxnet.
Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by iron0013 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:24AM (#16765145)
"Hey, somebody's gotta help kill all these people, might as well be me--wouldn't want it to be a bad guy!"
Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by idlewords on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:30AM (#16763778)
You can talk yourself into working on anything at all with this rationalization.
Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by reacweb on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:57AM (#16765476)
Yes, even if you are completely against something. For example, if you are against GMO and work on this subject, you may give valuable insights (outside of NDA) to other GMO opponents to help their fight to stop GMO. Of course, you risk your job.
Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by ionised on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:35PM (#16766412)
You are not going to change the military from the inside anymore than Snowden could change the NSA from the inside.

Thinking you can is naive at best.

Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by reacweb on Friday April 06, 2018 @03:27AM (#16771562)
Snowden was inside and his actions have an impact on NSA. I hope these kinds of organisations will understand that if they want to avoid similar whistleblowers, they need to have a better management that listen to their "halflings".
Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by ionised on Monday April 09, 2018 @03:46AM (#16791150)
Snowden didn't change anything from the inside. He tried and failed before realising a public-interest leak was the only way.
Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by bantunes on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:01AM (#16763644)
Damned if we do and damned if we don't?