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Re:Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Bee... by danso on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @10:07AM (#16754772)
So basically every company who has ever laid off or fired an employee should expect at some point to fall victim to a mass shooting?
Re:Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Bee... by deftnerd on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @10:24AM (#16754942)
I'm not saying that they would deserve it.

If a company algorithmically fired portions of their workforce every day without even talking to those employees or giving them a chance to appeal, then I would expect something terrible to eventually happen. I would expect that eventually an employee would snap under the injustice of the situation and commit a mass shooting, just like eventually an employee would commit suicide.

Firings/layoffs are stressful and those edge cases happen already. When you add in a feeling of "injustice", then I postulate that those edge cases become a little bit more common.

Re:Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Bee... by kamaal on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @11:54AM (#16755914)
This is just getting confused between an incentive and a right. Making money on YouTube isn't exactly protected under labor laws in the same way a job is.

Ad money provides an incentive to make money, encouraging you to post some video. It isn't exactly a salary paying thing like a job.

Sure every once in a while some kid could become a millionaire posting reviews on toys. That rarely means everybody can or must.

Its also in a way the plight of so many street performers and musicians. When you go to Pier 39 in San Francisco, many performers are on the verge of begging for tips. People don't understand the concept of paying for content, and most of it works like 'Bystander effect'- If I'm not paying may be somebody else is.

Re:Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Bee... by benmmurphy on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @12:04PM (#16756025)
I think the problem with youtube is they have the choice of either using algorithms to filter/monetize content or extremely limiting the amount of content they host/monetize. I don't think employing people is an option for them. I don't think youtube generates enough revenue for this to be a possibility. I think this is a case of its just not possible to run the youtube business without heavy use of algorithmic filtering. Which I guess kind of sucks if you are making your livelihood from youtube. But I don't think this is a problem that is going to be solved in the near future.
Re:Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Bee... by rpiguy on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @10:16AM (#16754870)
Homicide has long been the number 2 cause of death in the workplace in the U.S. You can find statistics going back as far as 1992. Layoffs are indeed often a motivation.

Hence the term, "going postal."

Re:Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Bee... by refurb on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @11:03AM (#16755376)
Homicide has long been the number 2 cause of death in the workplace in the U.S.

That stat doesn't pass the sniff test, so I looked up some numbers[1].

In 2016, there were 500 workplace homicides in the US. No where near the 2nd most common cause of death.

[1]https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf

Re:Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Bee... by rpiguy on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @04:18PM (#16804916)
It depends on if you group together accidental deaths. Homicide is not number 2 if you break all the accidents out, for example, "vehicle accidents," "falls," etc. are both more frequent than homicides. If you group together accident-types, then homicide is number 2 and you will often see it referred to as such.

https://www.osha.gov/dte/grant_materials/fy03/46j3-ht47/prev...

I should have clarified that I can see how it would seem improbable.

Re:Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Bee... by rectang on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @11:37AM (#16755727)
It looks like it depends how you group the causes around it. A more easily defensible way to put it is that around one in ten US workplace deaths are caused by homicide.
Re:Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Bee... by Applejinx on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @10:49AM (#16755220)
Those who make a huge point of abstracting all their decisions so that no specific point of human accountability can be defined, yes.

If you get your plans and (faltering) livelihood ruined by some Big Boss Man, you absolutely could be filled with rage, but the chances that you will direct that rage at some random secretary in a wholly other division is nil. You can identify the boss that fired you, you are enraged, maybe you try to revenge yourself and maybe not, and maybe you feel that just telling the world how rotten that guy is, will suffice.

If you're not allowed any focus for your rage because the organization is completely abstracted, those are the conditions under which 'just any employee' might seem like just as valid a target: there is literally nobody available who would seem more to blame.

So, lay off people in person if you want to minimize (a) the chances of an attacker mass murdering just employees, and (b) the chances of that person being completely deprived of any other outlet for their rage. I mean, if they knew who you were they could make a doll of you and stick pins in it. How are you going to make a voodoo doll of 'Youtube'? How are you going to let people go 'My monetization got taken away, and I'm down $30 a month I was using to feed my kid, and it's THAT GUY's fault!'

If you expose only the blameless as a target, you take away the chance for people to vent more productively, just for your own personal comfort. You're a cog in the Google machine, but you've got human shields.

Re:Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Bee... by root_axis on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @11:01AM (#16755350)
Yes? This is not something new in the age of mass shootings, e.g. "going postal" has long been used as a crude shorthand to describe homicidal violence perpetrated by disgruntled employees. In cases such of those we never have a problem condemning the violence while simultaneously recognizing qualities of the work environment that led the employee to the disgruntled state.
Re:Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Bee... by aeorgnoieang on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @10:19AM (#16754893)
Statistically, yes, i.e. every company that has ever laid off or fired an employee should expect the possibility at whatever the relevant probability is.