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Re:Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Bee... by watwut on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @09:57AM (#16754704)
Absolutely it makes sense. "That person shoot out random youtube employees therefore youtube should change its helpdesk" argument does not make sense. It makes as much sense as caving to any other form of terrorism.

Youtube and its employees are the victim here. Using this to put pressure on them in the "for the safety of your employees" way is incredibly distasteful.

Re:Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Bee... by aninhumer on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @11:03AM (#16755372)
> It makes as much sense as caving to any other form of terrorism.

Addressing the systemic reasons behind hostile actors does not mean "caving" to the actors themselves.

Should we let ISIS take over the Middle East and establish a fascist theocratic state? No, obviously not.

But that doesn't mean we shouldn't carefully consider how the past decades of violent imperialist foreign policy might have played a significant part in the conditions that allowed ISIS to rise, and use that to inform our future policy.

Re:Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Bee... by watwut on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @12:14PM (#16756145)
By this logic, systemic reason behind "lovesick" teenager shooting former girlfriend is that girls sometimes stop dating boys. Girls should think again before rejecting boys. And black churches should think again about praying, because Dylan Roof had shoot them.

Neither Austin bomber nor Parkland shooter explained why they did it, but whatever they states reasons, the objects of their hate don't necessary have responsibility to obey their wishes.

So no, the "youtube can not demonetize videos" straightforward nonsense is not an analysis of systemic reasons behind this shooting.

Re:Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Bee... by aninhumer on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @12:29PM (#16756301)
>So no, the "youtube can not demonetize videos" straightforward nonsense is not an analysis of systemic reasons behind this shooting.

Indeed it is not, but that would be a very shallow reading of the systemic arguments made in this thread.

Re:Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Bee... by watwut on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @02:08PM (#16757330)
Elsewhere in the thread, quite openly: "Them cutting off a person off their income without any way of appeal caused the whole chain of events in the first place."

That is extreme, sure. But I have to work hard to not interpreted milder comments that way too. The straightforward reading is pretty much that. The youtube blaming and insinuations that youtube brought it in itself were pretty much prevalent when I commented.

Re:Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Bee... by mschuster91 on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @10:30AM (#16755011)
> Youtube and its employees are the victim here.

No. The employees are the victim. Youtube? Not at all, save for a day of missed work. Them cutting off a person off their income without any way of appeal caused the whole chain of events in the first place.

Re:Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Bee... by watwut on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @12:18PM (#16756187)
Jess christ, I can't believe people here argue that with the straight face. Do you treat other mass shooters and terrorists the same? He shot the school therefore school caused it by not giving him everything he wanted? Seriously.

By this logic, if employer in right to work state fires someone and that someone shoots the workplace, employer caused the shooting.

Re:Suspect in YouTube Shooting Angry That Her Videos Had Bee... by mschuster91 on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @06:39PM (#16759956)
> Do you treat other mass shooters and terrorists the same?

Of course not. But there is, more often than not, a common background between all these cases. Recognize and fix the system and prevent more suffering. Shootings are the ultimate outlet, so if you fix the system you automatically prevent loads of more suffering.

> By this logic, if employer in right to work state fires someone and that someone shoots the workplace, employer caused the shooting.

Yes (except for the rare case where an immediate firing is warranted, such as stealing from the employer, sexual harrassment or similar).

There is no obligation to exercise the "fired on the spot". You can as a boss always behave like a decent human being and show your employees at least a fucking basic level of respect. Or you can decide "uh we dont need XYZ any more, even if he's still productive, has worked years of overtime, shown dedication and has to support a family but if I fire him I can make 10k personal bonus that year"... but then I would not be surprised if you'd end up at the wrong end of a baseball bat or worse.

By the way I would advise you to read up on how most of the workers' rights we know today in civilized areas of the planet (right to unionize, strike, illegality of "at will employment", social security systems) have been achieved: through shitloads of blood. If your state still has legal "at will employment", the state is responsible for any avoidable suffering caused by this.