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Re:Feds: There are hostile stingrays in DC, but we don’t kno... by subway on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @06:28PM (#16749968)
Depends on how much the devices cost to procure, and the budget of the party using them. Seems like these could be treated as "black-throws" given the right cost:budget ratio.
Re:Feds: There are hostile stingrays in DC, but we don’t kno... by bigiain on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @08:22PM (#16750748)
OpenBTS and Ettus USPR (software defined radios) have made it inexpensive enough for hobbyists to set up cellular base stations at Burningman.

The difference between an open source base station, and a homebuilt stingray in negligible.

While a grand or two's worth of radio hardware and however many weekends/evenings spent getting it all set up and the a software configured is _kind of_ expensive - it's effectively free at criminal org, corporate espionage, or state levels of action.

Re:Feds: There are hostile stingrays in DC, but we don’t kno... by int0x21 on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @07:06AM (#16753629)
Try less than $200. LimeSDR Mini or a couple Motorola C123s running Osmocombb with a filter swap...or a hacked femtocell
Re:Feds: There are hostile stingrays in DC, but we don’t kno... by vvanders on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @06:40PM (#16750079)
Not even that, if you want to use them as a MitM just broadcast the data you want and any arbitrary receiver will pick them up that can't be pinpointed.

That's assuming you don't mind losing the transmitting hardware.

Re:Feds: There are hostile stingrays in DC, but we don’t kno... by subway on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @06:48PM (#16750141)
I think we're saying the same thing.
Re:Feds: There are hostile stingrays in DC, but we don’t kno... by beamatronic on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @07:17PM (#16750346)
I am not familiar with this term, “black-throw”, can you elaborate?
Re:Feds: There are hostile stingrays in DC, but we don’t kno... by subway on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @07:22PM (#16750376)
blackthrow or svartkast is a term for a device left behind in potentially hostile territory to continue operating until it is discovered or fails
Re:Feds: There are hostile stingrays in DC, but we don’t kno... by walrus01 on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @07:50PM (#16750562)
For example an imsi catcher spliced into 120vac power and stuffed up into a ceiling tile in a busy shopping mall. I bet that with a stepladder, a clipboard and two guys in high visibility vests, a set of electrician tools, you could do this at nearly any mall in America.
Re:Feds: There are hostile stingrays in DC, but we don’t kno... by subway on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @07:52PM (#16750581)
Bonus points for installing a few near each other, configured to operate identically, but at different times.
Re:Feds: There are hostile stingrays in DC, but we don’t kno... by mschuster91 on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @07:12AM (#16753666)
How do you get the sniffed data, though? You're gonna need some form of high bandwidth uplink.
Re:Feds: There are hostile stingrays in DC, but we don’t kno... by OnMyPhone on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @09:27AM (#16754437)
One option might be to have the sniffing device setup with a hidden wireless network (of some sort).

Then when you walk around, sit in the food court eating, or if the device is close to the outside, sit somewhere out of sight of the cameras with a strong wifi antennae and grab whatever data.

Unless they have some "free" wifi that the device could hop on to send it to some server somewhere.

Using that and / or 4g would make it easier to find the device and, of course, the person though.