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Re:Live Nation Rules Music Ticketing, Some Say with Threats by smt88 on Monday April 02, 2018 @01:31PM (#16736822)
> Concerts shouldn‘t be a big business

Most artists, including some big-name artists, can't afford to charge less than they do. They make almost nothing from old-fashioned record deals and even less from streaming.

Re:Live Nation Rules Music Ticketing, Some Say with Threats by ng12 on Monday April 02, 2018 @02:40PM (#16737761)
The concept of a "big-name artist" needs to die. Those expectations are crazy -- that you need to sell out every major venue in every major city to make money. It's an industry of rent-seekers and Ticketmaster is a symptom of the disease.

This is why you hear Taylor Swift complaining about Spotify royalties but not your favorite indie bands. We're seeing a shift towards the long-tail that's only going to accelerate as future generations are brought up on streaming instead of mass-marketed music.

Re:Live Nation Rules Music Ticketing, Some Say with Threats by tehwebguy on Monday April 02, 2018 @04:11PM (#16738790)
The T Swift issue you describe has everything to do with negotiating a direct deal with Apple, there was never any truth to it.

The way Spotify works she probably would have received the lion’s share of the artist portion of all Spotify ad/subscription revenue the month her album came out based on listen time. Apple just gave her marketing/guarantee money on top.

Re:Live Nation Rules Music Ticketing, Some Say with Threats by KozmoNau7 on Monday April 02, 2018 @03:45PM (#16738516)
I know a couple of people from local bands, and they all get basically nothing from streaming. What little they make is made from shows and merch sales.
Re:Live Nation Rules Music Ticketing, Some Say with Threats by ng12 on Monday April 02, 2018 @03:48PM (#16738551)
So the question is how many people are at the show because they found the band on Spotify/Pandora/Youtube/etc? My guess is it's a pretty significant chunk. It's the best marketing tool independent artists have ever had, especially compared to the days when you had to buy/borrow a physical CD just to check out their music.
Re:Live Nation Rules Music Ticketing, Some Say with Threats by ssaew333 on Monday April 02, 2018 @04:50PM (#16739142)
Musician here.

For most local bands, nobody discovers you on Spotify. People find out about your band because you shared a show with another band they like.

After you are discovered by the new fan, they may later search for you on Spotify. But Bandcamp is more likely.

That assumes they even remember who you are. You have to play multiple shows in some areas, make a big impact on the audience, maybe have your stuff played on the local college station and then, just maybe, people will give a shit about you.

Lots of good music on bandcamp with less than 30 plays, and that's why.

Re:Live Nation Rules Music Ticketing, Some Say with Threats by ng12 on Monday April 02, 2018 @05:07PM (#16739314)
Fair enough. I think it's mostly an advantage where you're big enough to tour but not big enough to consistently sell out your shows.
Re:Live Nation Rules Music Ticketing, Some Say with Threats by KozmoNau7 on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @03:26AM (#16742552)
In my experience, people go to shows with local bands because they're either an opening act for a bigger more well-known band (as ssaew333 mentioned), or because they've already seen them before at a festival, or because of recommendations from their friends. Word of mouth is huge when it comes to smaller bands.

What streaming does is that it makes it so much easier to check out a band when a friend says "hey, give this band a listen, they're pretty good!". The initial recommendation comes from a friend, usually not the streaming service.