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Re:French Universities Cancel Subscriptions to Springer Jour... by barry-cotter on Monday April 02, 2018 @09:20AM (#16734222)
Absolute crap will be roundly ignored with or without peer review. Science and the Humanities worked fine before peer review and if it’s dropped they’ll work fine again. If Grigori Perelman puts another paper on arxiv that’s groundbreaking people will look at it without benefit of peer review, just like the last one.
Re:French Universities Cancel Subscriptions to Springer Jour... by jclos on Monday April 02, 2018 @09:41AM (#16734358)
> Science and the Humanities worked fine before peer review

Before peer review they were not dealing with the volume of scientific content that is submitted nowadays. One could debate whether citations are the only metric necessary, but there needs to be a filter before that even happens, or else we will be flooded with an avalanche of garbage research. It would be trivial for someone with deep enough pockets to order a network of junk papers citing each other and debunking climate change or evolution and make a real mess. As painful as reviewing is, it's a necessary evil for now.

Re:French Universities Cancel Subscriptions to Springer Jour... by Mediterraneo10 on Monday April 02, 2018 @09:27AM (#16734253)
> Absolute crap will be roundly ignored with or without peer review.

Things might be ignored, but only after a person has already wasted their time looking at it and determining it is crap.

It was harder for cranks to publish back when journals were purely physical and a crank would have to come up with the printing costs himself. Now that anyone can publish for free on the internet, peer review is even more important for establishing what content out there is worth paying attention to and which is not.

Re:French Universities Cancel Subscriptions to Springer Jour... by barry-cotter on Monday April 02, 2018 @09:44AM (#16734384)
You neglect the costs of submission, revision, resubmisssion etc. which are borne by the authors. Even if we assume that all involved are pure of heart and no one is deliberately delaying publication of their rivals’ work submission to publication in economics is on the order of two years. This is insane so the actual intellectual conversation has moved to working papers with final publication being in a journal being as much for archival and career progression metrics as anything else. I believe the situation in much of computer science is similar, with conference papers serving as the workaround for the fact that pre publication peer review is unbearably slow, not working papers.

Peer review happens anyway, but faster, and in public, without the insanity of revise and resubmit.

Journals are not where the action is in Economics or Computer Science. It works for them. Why not for everybody?

Re:French Universities Cancel Subscriptions to Springer Jour... by Mediterraneo10 on Monday April 02, 2018 @10:04AM (#16734532)
> You neglect the costs of submission, revision, resubmisssion etc. which are borne by the authors.

I neglect those because journals in my own field are both free to publish in and, more often than not, open-access. I do understand that not everyone is so fortunate, however.

Re:French Universities Cancel Subscriptions to Springer Jour... by barry-cotter on Monday April 02, 2018 @07:08PM (#16740276)
I’m talking about time, not money. Because those costs absolutely are borne by the authors. Insofar as peer review hinders the free dissemination of ideas it also hurts the scientific community and those who depend on its research.