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Re:IIHS: Model S has higher collision claim frequencies than... by EGreg on Sunday April 01, 2018 @11:56PM (#16732198)
Hate to say it Tesla but you ain't ready for primetime. Neither is Uber.

Waymo is on a whole other level.

But I really would love to see more collaboration rather than competition in this area where safety is critical. Pardon the pun - why does everyone need to reinvent the wheel? And also encumber each other with patents?

Open source beats proprietary competitive stuff like this.

Re:IIHS: Model S has higher collision claim frequencies than... by emodendroket on Sunday April 01, 2018 @11:59PM (#16732208)
Well, why would they do that unless the regulatory authorities made them?

Is Waymo really "there"? It seems like everywhere I turn I'm seeing things that suggest that all of this technology has been hyped far beyond its actual capabilities.

Re:IIHS: Model S has higher collision claim frequencies than... by rtpg on Monday April 02, 2018 @12:05AM (#16732236)
According to a new York times article recently, Waymos vehicles are currently driving on average 5600 miles between user intervention.

For Uber this number was 13

5600 miles starts becoming "I need to use the wheel only 4 times a year" territory.

Re:IIHS: Model S has higher collision claim frequencies than... by JKCalhoun on Monday April 02, 2018 @01:12AM (#16732489)
> 5600 miles starts becoming "I need to use the wheel only 4 times a year" territory.

It sounds like you're saying I will very likely die 4 times a year.

If anything, perhaps the better performing algorithms will lead to more complacency (inattention) on the part of the driver...

Sort of a Catch-22? (Or is there a better analogy I'm not thinking of.)

Call me a Luddite, but I think I would prefer to steer the car myself, thank you. When someone says, self-driving car, I assume they mean a taxi, bus or train: all well-proven technologies.

Re:IIHS: Model S has higher collision claim frequencies than... by rtpg on Monday April 02, 2018 @04:03AM (#16733062)
Well to be fair Waymo drivers aren't dying 4 times a year, it could be that the car just pulls over.

I agree that this isn't enough for full autonomy. And that partial autonomy can lead to false security. But I bet there are a lot of drivers who have more than 1 incident every 5k miles.

Re:IIHS: Model S has higher collision claim frequencies than... by smnrchrds on Monday April 02, 2018 @02:17AM (#16732703)
Are all 4 interventions safety-critical? They may simply be a case of the car having trouble finding the way out of a parking lot for example.