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Re:Facebook critic: Company ‘will not survive long term’ by jerf on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @10:43AM (#16698027)
Useless without the critic putting a number on "long term". In the long run, we are all dead. I also predict that Facebook will not be around three billion years from now. Can I have a politico article?
Re:Facebook critic: Company ‘will not survive long term’ by ohsnapman on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @11:18AM (#16698324)
Does the word "long term" have no meaning, then?

I agree it would be better to say "within the few 2 decades" or slap a timeframe on it. But this characterization is silly.

Re:Facebook critic: Company ‘will not survive long term’ by jerf on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @11:35AM (#16698500)
Then what is the meaning, then?

I tend to use 50 years as my rough "long term" definition. "Facebook won't be around in 50 years" is not very impressive. "Facebook won't be around in 2020" would be a bold prediction, but doesn't seem very "long term". "Facebook won't be around in 2025" might be starting to get into "long term", but is also definitely starting to feel vacuous if we think of it as "The probability of Facebook being around as a distinct entity in 2025"... well, no duh it's not going to be 100%, but the probabilities get fairly uninteresting quickly. 50/50 is a decent initial guess for that, and it isn't until you get into the 90s on either side that it starts becoming an interesting prediction.

I don't know how to turn "Facebook won't be around in the long term" into an interesting prediction without a time horizon.

Here's a non-vacuous sort of example: There's a proof somewhere that the maximal probability of the expected future lifetime of a given organization like a country or a company is its current lifespan, projected into the future. So the maximal probability of when Facebook will be gone if it is currently 14 years old is 2032. However, I can not seem to Google up the discussion of this; all the search terms I can come up with are flooded by actuarial discussions of human mortality where this most assuredly is not the case.

Re:Facebook critic: Company ‘will not survive long term’ by btilly on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @12:25PM (#16699104)
If you make the naive assumption that you are observing the company at a random point in its overall lifespan, the median of the distribution for how much longer it will survive is how long it has survived already.

More than that, if it has survived N years already, the odds that it will survive at least M more is N/(N+M). If you work out the probability density and then integrate it, you come up with an arithmetic mean that is also N. However the point where it is most likely a priori to die is tomorrow, and that probability steadily decreases.

Re:Facebook critic: Company ‘will not survive long term’ by V-2 on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @12:04PM (#16698864)
> There's a proof somewhere that the maximal probability of the expected future lifetime of a given organization like a country or a company is its current lifespan, projected into the future

Sounds more like the good, old https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_argument than any sort of an actual proof...

Re:Facebook critic: Company ‘will not survive long term’ by Johnny555 on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @12:37PM (#16699233)
What use is a number for such a speculative article with no real evidence? If he had said 1 year, 5 years, 50 years, would that have added any value to the article, or would it have just launched discussion about why that exact number is wrong, but if it had been 5 years longer (or sooner), then it'd be spot on.
Re:Facebook critic: Company ‘will not survive long term’ by deadcast on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @12:05PM (#16698868)
Haha I know I was thinking the same thing. "Long term" I wager Microsoft won't exist anymore! :)