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Re:Multiple Android apps use combined permissions to siphon ... by swsieber on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @01:27PM (#16690783)
They don't enforce things to stop kids from being killed in classrooms in mass numbers. There were a number of things that should have stopped the kid.
Re:Multiple Android apps use combined permissions to siphon ... by robotrout on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @01:55PM (#16691047)
I agree. The people who pound the table about guns, but refuse to pound the table about the countless failures of the system to protect these kids, are cynically using this event for political gain.

The FBI not picking up the kid after being tipped off, the sheriff's department not picking up the kid after 39 visits, or the Sheriff Deputy that did not engage the shooter, but waited for backup, all point to already existing policy that failed to be followed properly.

Even the principal himself, who evacuated a school based on an unsubstantiated fire alarm (every fire control panel tells you what switch was pulled, so he could easily have called a teacher near that station for confirmation) shares some of the blame here. Also, the fact that he evacuated multiple buildings, rather than only the building where the alarm was pulled, was a confusing mistake.

There are people who are actually trying to fix a very broken system, and they are not the ones using this to advance a political agenda.

Re:Multiple Android apps use combined permissions to siphon ... by openasocket on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @02:08PM (#16691165)
Serious question, what does "FBI not picking up the kid" mean? Were they supposed to arrest him? Confiscate his guns? My understanding is they were tipped off that he introducing himself as a school shooter and acting suspiciously. If they had followed up on that tip, is that grounds for arrest? If it is, would they be able to either keep him in jail until trial or confiscate his guns until trial? Same question for the sheriff's department.
Re:Multiple Android apps use combined permissions to siphon ... by robotrout on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @02:28PM (#16691377)
I agree that it was not a slam dunk (you post crap on the internet, we take your guns). However, as this Miami Herald article [1] points out, there were just so many scary events that the authorities (Sheriff and FBI) were aware of in this kids history, that starting the process of mental health evaluation most certainly should have occurred.

[1] http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/arti...

Re:Multiple Android apps use combined permissions to siphon ... by openasocket on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @02:55PM (#16691649)
I don't think it is likely that a mental health evaluation would have demonstrated much. The law only bars those who have been involuntarily committed from getting firearms, a diagnosis of mental illness is not sufficient. And an involuntary commitment is a pretty high bar. My Dad is a clinical psychologist who evaluates people for the courts, and he can go on and on about how the severely mentally ill often do not qualify for involuntary commitment. Unless you are actively trying to hurt yourself or others you will not be committed, which basically limits it to people who are either attempting suicide, or assaulting people.

I'd also like to point out that there are a number of issues with the current system besides what you've mentioned that could improve things. For starters, even if this person was involuntarily committed, he would fail a background check, but would still be able to purchase guns online or at a gun show without a background check. There are red flag laws, which allow people to petition the court to temporarily seize guns from someone acting in a disturbing way, which would have been ideal for this case, but these are only in some states.

Re:Multiple Android apps use combined permissions to siphon ... by donw on Thursday March 29, 2018 @02:03AM (#16704846)
You can not purchase a gun without a background check online, at least not legally.

Online or by-mail purchases can only be shipped to an in-state dealer, where you must complete a background check.

This has been the case for twenty years.

Neither can you do so at a gun show. The same laws apply.

You can not legally obtain a weapon from a licensed dealer without a background check. Period.

If you derive any notable income from selling weapons, then you are legally required to register as a dealer. Failure to do so is a federal felony.

This is why weapons used in crimes do not generally come from legal sources. The vast majority are either stolen, or illegally purchased by a friend of family member.

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Re:Multiple Android apps use combined permissions to siphon ... by sctb on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @05:43PM (#16693005)
Please increase the information to inflammation ratio of your comments.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Multiple Android apps use combined permissions to siphon ... by s73v3r_ on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @06:41PM (#16693477)
The point I'm trying to make is that blaming all of these shootings on mental illness is completely baseless. All it does is further stigmatize mental illness, and it does so by conflating people that, in all honesty, are just terrible, terrible people, with people who have mental illness. Combining that scapegoat with the fact that we, as a country, do absolutely nothing to treat mental illness, just makes life worse for those who actually do have mental illness.
Re:Multiple Android apps use combined permissions to siphon ... by sctb on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @02:11PM (#16700220)
OK, please make it more like that next time.
Re:Multiple Android apps use combined permissions to siphon ... by rhizome on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @02:05PM (#16691134)
The people who pound the table about guns, but refuse to pound the table about the countless failures of the system to protect these kids

Who is doing this? Not very many, I estimate.

Even allowing your premise, they're separate issues. Gun control is about more than school shootings, and one could turn your ire back onto you for focusing only on school shootings when there are many more kinds of mass shootings out there, not to mention interpersonal fights escalating to firepower.

Re:Multiple Android apps use combined permissions to siphon ... by robotrout on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @02:21PM (#16691302)
The number of posters who harp on gun control, without even mentioning the failings that allowed this kid to carry out his attack approaches 100% on certain sites. I would say it's 80% even on this site.

As somebody who personally had (and witnessed others) fights in high school parking lots with rifles in the pickup windows of the combatants (yep, I'm over 40), and never heard of anybody ever considering escalating to firepower, I have to call BS on that. I expect to be down voted, but unless you feel that people have become more evil since your father was a kid, I don't know what to tell you.

As for gang violence and other crime, I invite you to look at Mexico (or Chicago), which have strict gun control.

Re:Multiple Android apps use combined permissions to siphon ... by rhizome on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @05:13PM (#16692770)
never heard of anybody ever considering escalating to firepower

I'm referring to domestic violence and partner homicide.

Re:Multiple Android apps use combined permissions to siphon ... by s73v3r_ on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @04:20PM (#16692369)
What could the FBI actually have done in this case? What law did the shooter break?
Re:Multiple Android apps use combined permissions to siphon ... by dragonwriter on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @04:29PM (#16692449)
Given post-9/11 history, they could have enticed him into overt preparation for the crime they were tipped off that he might be prone to commit, arrested him for it, and claimed it as a foiled terrorist plot. But regardless of whether it would have actually been a something-like-accurate claim in this case, he wasn't Muslim, so the resulting headline wouldn't fit with the acceptable narrative, so there was no motivation to expend the required resources.
Re:Multiple Android apps use combined permissions to siphon ... by s73v3r_ on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @04:20PM (#16692359)
And the NRA would have been against them, because up until he stepped on campus and started shooting, he was a lawful gun owner.