Thoughts on Embracing the Social Internet Over Social Media

Re:Thoughts on Embracing the Social Internet Over Social Media by stickfigure on Sunday March 25, 2018 @02:03PM (#16673461)

The problem with the idea of going back to a distributed internet is that it directly contradicts the primary thing people in the #DeleteFacebook rant about: Privacy.

The only way to ensure that your content doesn't get reshared without your permission is to create a tightly locked-down walled garden. If you're really worried, you need some sort of DRM too. And if you're really really worried, you need global laws that ban software that breaks DRM.

You can't have private, distributed data. You have to pick.

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Re:Thoughts on Embracing the Social Internet Over Social Media by bogomipz on Sunday March 25, 2018 @02:43PM (#16673727)

>"The problem with the idea of going back to a distributed internet is that it directly contradicts the primary thing people in the #DeleteFacebook rant about: Privacy."

Can you elaborate on how exactly maintaining your own site/blog/domain/presence etc is at odds with privacy advocation?

Content control, copyright and DRM are orthogonal to the issue of privacy.

Also I don't really understand the use of the phrase "the distributed internet" to distinguish from "silos" and "walled gardens." The internet is by design distributed. FB while being a walled-garden is still very much "on" the internet.

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Re:Thoughts on Embracing the Social Internet Over Social Media by stickfigure on Sunday March 25, 2018 @11:04PM (#16676300)

Can you elaborate on how exactly maintaining your own site/blog/domain/presence etc is at odds with privacy advocation?

You can't publish your site/blog/domain/presence privately to your friends. That venue does not substitute for Facebook. When talk about replacing social media, we have to accept that most people don't want to share their baby photos etc with the world.

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Re:Thoughts on Embracing the Social Internet Over Social Media by intopieces on Sunday March 25, 2018 @04:04PM (#16674246)

>Can you elaborate on how exactly maintaining your own site/blog/domain/presence etc is at odds with privacy advocation?

A website that any old person can access means it's a website that any number of bots can crawl over and aggregate. Now you're basically back where we started with Facebook.

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Re:Thoughts on Embracing the Social Internet Over Social Media by walterbell on Sunday March 25, 2018 @05:03PM (#16674599)

There's a big difference between content aggregation (done by all search engines) and behavioral profiling (done by advertising companies, including social media).

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Re:Thoughts on Embracing the Social Internet Over Social Media by intopieces on Sunday March 25, 2018 @06:36PM (#16675048)

Sure, but that fact that the latter is supposedly not done on personal web pages doesn't mean it can't / won't be done on the data on, say, Mastodon instances.

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Re:Thoughts on Embracing the Social Internet Over Social Media by bogomipz on Sunday March 25, 2018 @07:42PM (#16675344)

A crawler has no way of knowing whether or not I visited a site. A crawler doesn't have access to cookie data or HTTP access logs. So no we are not "back where we started with Facebook."

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Re:Thoughts on Embracing the Social Internet Over Social Media by jefurii on Monday March 26, 2018 @01:01PM (#16680428)

HTTP Basic authentication

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Re:Thoughts on Embracing the Social Internet Over Social Media by packet_nerd on Sunday March 25, 2018 @07:29PM (#16675283)

> You can't have private, distributed data. You have to pick.

I think it should be possible by leveraging public-key encryption. That's going to require something beyond Wordpress though.

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