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Re:Justice Dept. Revives Push to Mandate a Way to Unlock Phones by rdl on Saturday March 24, 2018 @02:31PM (#16668052)
Trump's election should really have been the last nail in the coffin on this kind of stuff, at least in the US. Either you hate him (and thus don't want him or anyone like him in the future to have this kind of access), or you love him and don't want anyone who hates him to ever gain this kind of access. A polarizing political figure should erode trust in unrestrained state power unless you believe he's the last President ever.
Re:Justice Dept. Revives Push to Mandate a Way to Unlock Phones by time0ut on Saturday March 24, 2018 @03:11PM (#16668284)
People shouldn't have trust in unrestrained state power regardless of how kind and gentle those in power have been or are likely to be. Maybe Trump's election made more people realize this, but hopefully most people who bother to think about such things realized it to begin with.
Re:Justice Dept. Revives Push to Mandate a Way to Unlock Phones by jacquesm on Saturday March 24, 2018 @02:57PM (#16668203)
> A polarizing political figure should erode trust in unrestrained state power unless you believe he's the last President ever.

How big a percentage of the electorate would back canceling the next election cycle?

Re:Justice Dept. Revives Push to Mandate a Way to Unlock Phones by rdl on Saturday March 24, 2018 @03:50PM (#16668502)
That to me seems like the biggest problem with parliamentary systems (which have many other advantages, especially for new parties, local constituencies, etc.). Unless there's a sovereign, or some other system, it's often left up to the sitting government to decide when elections will be called.
Re:Justice Dept. Revives Push to Mandate a Way to Unlock Phones by IAmEveryone on Sunday March 25, 2018 @06:10AM (#16671534)
That's not true for most parliamentary systems. In fact it's only customary in the UK to arbitrarily call elections when poll numbers are up. But even in the UK, there is obviously a maximum term between elections. And calling elections without reason isn't actually possible anymore. Theresa May had to jump through some hoops to almost lose her majority last summer.

In the US, a president who leaves office before the expiration of their term is replaced by the Vice President (or the next in the line of succession if there is no Vice President). In Germany, a chancellor can only recalled by electing a replacement. If they resign or die, the President gets to make a few decision, and they will usually task the leader of the largest party to find themselves a majority. Only after two or three failures of that process would a President turn to early elections.

Re:Justice Dept. Revives Push to Mandate a Way to Unlock Phones by mcintyre1994 on Saturday March 24, 2018 @07:55PM (#16669772)
I'm not sure what the current number is (not sure it's ever been polled), but there was a pretty well reported poll that said just over half of Republicans would back a delay if Trump said one was necessary. Seems that it was a Washington's Post poll: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/1...
Re:Justice Dept. Revives Push to Mandate a Way to Unlock Phones by enraged_camel on Saturday March 24, 2018 @03:39PM (#16668442)
From my casual observations and conversations with people, I would guess 20% would at least support postponing the next election cycle purely on the basis of “voter fraud” conspiracy nonsense that Fox News et al peddle.
Re:Justice Dept. Revives Push to Mandate a Way to Unlock Phones by r00fus on Saturday March 24, 2018 @05:44PM (#16669150)
Many people still support Trump.

Trump campaign supported Government demanding Apple to bake in a backdoor in their OS.

How do you think the 2016 election is any sort of last straw?

Re:Justice Dept. Revives Push to Mandate a Way to Unlock Phones by jurt3 on Saturday March 24, 2018 @03:53PM (#16668524)
I don't see it. There is always a case for privacy. But if people consider the presidency corrupt it would probably be a good idea to grant the judicial branch more power. Because secrecy doesn't protect you against a sufficiently corrupt government, it protects the government from you.
Re:Justice Dept. Revives Push to Mandate a Way to Unlock Phones by aqme28 on Saturday March 24, 2018 @04:32PM (#16668760)
> secrecy doesn't protect you against a sufficiently corrupt government, it protects the government from you.

I don't understand this. How does privacy/anonymity not protect you from a corrupt government?

Re:Justice Dept. Revives Push to Mandate a Way to Unlock Phones by rdl on Saturday March 24, 2018 @05:39PM (#16669118)
Also I rarely have seen any government system installed in such a way that some kind of lawful intercept mechanism would be required to circumvent their internal controls; they almost always are set up in standard boring enterprise way where an admin user can easily access anything, reset any credential, etc. I have seen systems where people forgot the admin credentials or lost access to the admins, but even in those systems there were easy backdoors with physical access.

There are some systems designed to protect keys and admin access from lower tier admins (for crypto fill, etc), but with those they are generally not archival, just transport security, and there are ways to downgrade or replace keys on request. The judiciary also doesn’t in practice have any real ability to do things to the executive without cooperation of parts of the executive; if we had some insane civil war type situation where a federal judge wanted to enforce an order against the executive, it would be basically impossible to do so without some support of the executive (or an external force, like a state national guard). This isn’t how it should be, but probably was like this within a decade of the constitution’s ratification and has gotten more so with time.

Re:Justice Dept. Revives Push to Mandate a Way to Unlock Phones by jurt3 on Saturday March 24, 2018 @06:20PM (#16669354)
I guess it wouldn't necessarily be the judiciary. What I am getting at is that what enables you to run a conspiracy against the government also enables them to run a conspiracy against you. When journalists starts ending up dead, like in Malta or Slovakia, you want to be able to unravel any connection the murderers had to political figures and not end up with a bunch of dead ends consisting of encrypted communication and currency. How to actually solve that in a good way is up for debate though.
Re:Justice Dept. Revives Push to Mandate a Way to Unlock Phones by jurt3 on Saturday March 24, 2018 @05:49PM (#16669178)
Privacy protects you from any entity wanting to use your personal life to discredit you. Secrecy doesn't protect you since a corrupt government will intimidate, discredit or kidnap you regardless of merit. What protects you is being able to uncover their slush funds and secret dealings.
Re:Justice Dept. Revives Push to Mandate a Way to Unlock Phones by 18pfsmt on Saturday March 24, 2018 @06:39PM (#16669438)
The 4th Amendment to the US Constitution basically says there is no justification for such powers. The entire foundation of the the US Government is a warning against the centralization of power.

China operates like you describe and people that think like that should just move there. Perhaps we could create a program to swap citizens between countries so people can live with their ideological peers.

Re:Justice Dept. Revives Push to Mandate a Way to Unlock Phones by jurt3 on Saturday March 24, 2018 @07:31PM (#16669665)
From what powers? The 4th amendment does not protect you from "reasonable" searches. A corrupt government wouldn't care about the constitution, like during Watergate. I am not a US citizen nor in the US (so the 4th amendment doesn't cover me) and I have already spent a fair amount of time in China. But thanks for offering.
Re:Justice Dept. Revives Push to Mandate a Way to Unlock Phones by aqme28 on Sunday March 25, 2018 @11:46AM (#16672680)
Anonymity protects you from the government knowing who to discredit/kidnapt/etc...

But once they know it's you, you're screwed against a corrupt govt.