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Re:New research suggests new ways to nurture gifted children by jimhefferon on Saturday March 24, 2018 @10:17AM (#16666688)
Teaching everyone with high expectations is a great idea. In practice, though, it means that some people flunk. (I'm not talking about the fact that some students require different instruction; for instance, some students are special education students. I'm talking about standard students.)

Many school systems find that flunking folks requires a disproportionate amount of effort. There are ways to work through that, but in the end there has to be a public will to do it. At least in the US, there is a very large thread of public discourse that thinks the goal in the education system is to minimize the cost of educating other people's kids, not to maximize what they learn.

Re:New research suggests new ways to nurture gifted children by MsMowz on Saturday March 24, 2018 @10:22AM (#16666716)
Another option is aggressively tutoring students who fall behind. Finland does this to great success. I'm not sure what the ratio is now, but at one point there was a tutor for every 7 students on average in Finnish schools. You're absolutely right that it would be costly and politically difficult.
Re:New research suggests new ways to nurture gifted children by jimhefferon on Saturday March 24, 2018 @11:52AM (#16667205)
Yes, there has to be a will to do it. It is distressing that in the US at least there is a widespread movement in the other direction. It threatens to make shittier for us all (except those who are completely insulated, of course).
Re:New research suggests new ways to nurture gifted children by jacobush on Saturday March 24, 2018 @01:59PM (#16667879)
And being insulated to avoid the crap is its own kind of shittines. Like living in a gated community not for fun but to avoid getting robbed.
Re:New research suggests new ways to nurture gifted children by crawfordcomeaux on Saturday March 24, 2018 @11:49AM (#16667181)
Removing the concept of failure from my mind has been instrumental in helping me unlock my potential. Society could probably benefit from this.

Learn. Or learn not. There is no fail.

Re:New research suggests new ways to nurture gifted children by white-flame on Saturday March 24, 2018 @12:26PM (#16667393)
It depends on what you mean by "failure". Kids need to be confronted with honest evaluations and positive feedback loops about their progress, including things they need to work harder on or redo, in order to reach the expected levels of common baseline education.

In the USA, there's just a general pushing through of all kids to the next step regardless of whether or not they actually learned anything, which is simply broken, too. It's missing any notion of failure.

However, what we shouldn't do is effectively discard failing kids from ever succeeding, dumping them to the wayside. They just need different types of help than was offered by the bulk instruction, either in content or style.

Re:New research suggests new ways to nurture gifted children by taeric on Saturday March 24, 2018 @02:16PM (#16667965)
I prefer it as: Learn, or learn something else. Failure is it's own lesson.
Re:New research suggests new ways to nurture gifted children by dragonwriter on Saturday March 24, 2018 @08:50PM (#16669963)
> Teaching everyone with high expectations is a great idea. In practice, though, it means that some people flunk.

No, it doesn't, any more than any other expectations do. (The expectations that are being discussed are the assumptions of ability that set content and instructional approaches. How you respond to differing acheivement is a nearly orthogonal question, and that's the domain that flunking is in.)

> Many school systems find that flunking folks requires a disproportionate amount of effort.

Which is why they don't flunk students, even when they fail to succeed with the low expectations that underlie their instructional approach.