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Ask HN: A discussion on Ethics

In light of recent events, can we please have a discussion about ethics? What does ethics mean to you, particularly when it comes to code? Where is the line? Who is responsible if something is deemed unethical? How can we educate ourselves more on these matters so that we aren't caught in a illegal spiderweb later.
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Re:Ask HN: A discussion on Ethics by tlb on Friday March 23, 2018 @12:42PM (#16659934)
Ethics is too broad a topic to have a useful discussion on. Better to start with a proposition like "programmers should refuse to participate in X", where X is specific enough to predict the consequences of it existing or not.
Re:Ask HN: A discussion on Ethics by kwhitefoot on Saturday March 24, 2018 @02:56AM (#16665251)
> where X is specific enough to predict the consequences of it existing or not.

So, which X would you start with?

Re:Ask HN: A discussion on Ethics by mgraybosch on Friday March 23, 2018 @02:08PM (#16660939)
I ascribe to the ACM Code of Ethics.

https://ethics.acm.org/code-of-ethics/

In practice that means I...

* refuse to work on adtech/corporate social media

* refuse to do work for the military or with military applications

* refuse to do work for law enforcement or work that might prove useful to law enforcement

Re:Ask HN: A discussion on Ethics by kwhitefoot on Saturday March 24, 2018 @02:52AM (#16665238)
> * refuse to do work for law enforcement or work that might prove useful to law enforcement

Is this meant as a universal refusal or does it apply just to US law enforcement?

My point is that law enforcement is generally regarded as necessary to the proper functioning of society and while some of those involved in it might be bad people the concept itself is not.

Re:Ask HN: A discussion on Ethics by mgraybosch on Monday March 26, 2018 @12:50PM (#16680303)
Right now, US law enforcement. I haven't gotten recruiter spam offering contracts to code for INTERPOL, for example.

I'll change my mind when driving while black is no longer punishable by summary execution in at least half of the US.

Re:Ask HN: A discussion on Ethics by kwhitefoot on Saturday March 24, 2018 @02:55AM (#16665245)
> How can we educate ourselves more on these matters so that we aren't caught in a illegal spiderweb later.

I think you are conflating two related but distinct matters: ethics and the law. It is perfectly possibly to behave unethically while obeying the letter of the law and to break the law while behaving ethically.

Re:Ask HN: A discussion on Ethics by zerostar07 on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @11:07AM (#16689181)