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Re:What Soldiers Eat, By Country by bootload on Sunday September 05, 2010 @10:47PM (#1665697)
the accompanying article is much better, "A Taste of Home in Foil Packets and Powder" ~ http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/05/weekinreview/05gilbertson....

The bit that caught my eye, "Australians get a dark-brown spreadable yeast-paste treat called Vegemite, for example". I have a picture of the item being described here ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bootload/4961948487/ which came from a PR1M (Patrol Ration One Man) which I used earlier this year marching 240km for a lost bet on house prices ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bootload/collections/7215762379...

Re:What Soldiers Eat, By Country by silentbicycle on Sunday September 05, 2010 @11:14PM (#1665743)
I have two giant jars (910 g/2 lb each!) of Vegemite, one of which is approaching 2/3 empty. It's lovely stuff, though I can understand people hating it - it's concentrated and has an intense flavor, and people who don't know better probably use waaay too much.

It tastes kind of like yeasty soy sauce that has been boiled down to a salty, thick black spread (or very dark, mushroomy miso). It's great scratched on buttery toast or grilled cheese, or as part of a soup stock. It's made from beer yeast dregs, and is loaded with umami and B vitamins. I highly recommend adding some to soup stock, especially vegetarian soups. It adds a lot of depth. I haven't ever tried marmite (as elblanco mentions), but everything I've read has made them sound similar.

(I'm not Australian. I'm from Michigan, actually...)

Re:What Soldiers Eat, By Country by bootload on Monday September 06, 2010 @03:34AM (#1666166)
"... I have two giant jars (910 g/2 lb each!) of Vegemite ..."

The biggest tins (yes, tins) I found of Vegemite was in Colac at local grocery store weighing in at 5Kg. I wish I had a photo. Sounds like you, @silentbicycle have an acquired taste for the stuff. Love offering it to American folk who usually accuse me of trying to poison them. Marmite is similar but there is a distinct taste difference. Both do well as stocks.

Re:What Soldiers Eat, By Country by steveh72 on Monday September 06, 2010 @01:13AM (#1665932)
Vegemite is predominately Aussie, and there are 2 different kinds of Marmite - New Zealand and UK. You find the New Zealand stuff in Australia and NZ; the UK stuff most other places. NZ marmite is black, UK marmite is more brown.

They all taste different, but most likely uniformly awful unless you grew up with it.

Re:What Soldiers Eat, By Country by sliverstorm on Monday September 06, 2010 @12:20AM (#1665850)
> I highly recommend adding some to soup stock, especially vegetarian soups

But can vegetarians eat bacteria? They are animals too.

Re:What Soldiers Eat, By Country by bonzoesc on Monday September 06, 2010 @12:29AM (#1665865)
They're not. We're closer to plants than we are to bacteria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-domain_system

Re:What Soldiers Eat, By Country by sliverstorm on Monday September 06, 2010 @12:47AM (#1665895)
I doubt science matters to most veg's I've known.
Re:What Soldiers Eat, By Country by silentbicycle on Monday September 06, 2010 @12:26AM (#1665859)
That depends on how neurotic they are. (Laziest trolling ever, PS. Back to slashdot with you.)

I'm suggesting it specifically because vegetarian soups tend to have less umami (the savory, "meaty"/MSG flavor). Non-veg cooks can just simmer bones, etc., but vegetarians need to get umami from mushrooms, grilled root vegetables, boiled parmesan reggiano rinds (which are totally awesome, BTW), miso, etc., and vegemite is another option.

It's quite cheap (if you buy it in "I'm going backpacking forever and may not make it back to Australia"-sized jars) and keeps forever (what's it going to do...become more salty?), so it's pretty convenient.

Re:What Soldiers Eat, By Country by sliverstorm on Monday September 06, 2010 @01:04AM (#1665919)
Not trolling, I am just amused at the arbitrary lines-in-the-sand I occasionally see vegetarians and vegans drawing, and was curious about their outlook on this matter.
Re:What Soldiers Eat, By Country by silentbicycle on Monday September 06, 2010 @01:25AM (#1665957)
A lot of people have identities based on loud-but-poorly-thought-out politics/ideologies. Vocal / recent-convert / squeamish teenage vegetarians are hardly unique in this regard, and nor does it mean that intelligent people haven't arrived at similar conclusions for reasons that aren't vapid. As with most things, though, the loud "I believe so hard in cause X" people tend to drown out the thoughtful ones. (Also, the vegetarians I've known have been more pragmatic than the vegans, who are generally more ideological.)

The only group I've seen seriously struggle with the whole "OMG I'm killing bacteria by breathing, what should I do" issue are the Jains, and I find them pretty silly. (I'm not a vegetarian, but when I was...I still found them pretty silly.)

Some vegetarians are amazing cooks, too. Constraints can really drive creativity.

Re:What Soldiers Eat, By Country by elblanco on Monday September 06, 2010 @12:44AM (#1665887)
Some vegans try not to eat bacteria. It's usually not a problem for vegetarians.
Re:What Soldiers Eat, By Country by silentbicycle on Monday September 06, 2010 @12:56AM (#1665912)
You're probably thinking of Jains, not vegans.
Re:What Soldiers Eat, By Country by elblanco on Monday September 06, 2010 @01:42AM (#1665992)
Close I guess. I'm thinking more of recent convert Buddhist Vegan types. One gave me a 30 minute discussion over the current thinking in their particular vegan community...basically it amounted to being an absolutely impossible task to avoid eating bacteria so they can stay on the list of consumables, but everybody should be mindful of the lives they are snuffing out.

It was all rather eye-rolling. I can definitely see Jains getting in on that nonsense.

Re:What Soldiers Eat, By Country by silentbicycle on Monday September 06, 2010 @02:07AM (#1666036)
Which is pretty funny - Gautama emphasized a practical "middle path" rather than some extremist monastic malarkey, specifically because that sort of crap completely detaches you from daily life.

I've found it useful time and time again to be wary of recent converts of all stripes, whether it's Veganism, Objectivism, Haskell, etc.

Re:What Soldiers Eat, By Country by elblanco on Monday September 06, 2010 @02:53AM (#1666106)
> Gautama emphasized a practical "middle path" rather than some extremist monastic malarkey

If I remember, enlightenment was not found in the extremes under Kaundinya.

That message really seems to be lost I think. Both in the purposeful following of an extreme ideal, or in not being mindful of extreme habits.

Even if one is not a Buddhist, the concept of the middle path can be wonderfully freeing from expectations of extreme ideologies that sometimes ferment under civilizations.

Re:What Soldiers Eat, By Country by silentbicycle on Monday September 06, 2010 @03:09AM (#1666136)
Yep, the Buddhist stories say that he spent a while as a rich prince, then some sort of eXtreme(TM) yogi, and neither really worked out for him.

The popular American impression of Buddhism is pretty weird - historically, it's heavily skewed towards Japanese Zen Buddhism, but secondhand, from the Beats* . The way people talk about Zen, you'd think it had antioxidants or something.

* Due to their infatuation with the San Francisco Zen Center, Shunryu Suzuki, etc.

Re:What Soldiers Eat, By Country by elblanco on Monday September 06, 2010 @12:41AM (#1665883)
I like Vegemite better myself. It's less intense of a flavor.
Re:What Soldiers Eat, By Country by silentbicycle on Monday September 06, 2010 @12:44AM (#1665886)
Could you describe the difference a little more? I'm really curious, but when I've seen Marmite here in the states, it's always been so ludicrously overpriced (for a little jar) that I've skipped it.
Re:What Soldiers Eat, By Country by elblanco on Monday September 06, 2010 @01:39AM (#1665988)
I haven't had Marmite in quite a while. But if memory serves, the savoriness (smell and flavor) was really more intense -- it's hard to describe, almost like burnt steak ground up into a paste. Vegemite always seemed to be more palatable to me.

I guess the best way to compare the two is Guinness extra stout vs. regular Guinness.

Unless you really like it, you probably won't use much of either -- it can go for a very long time. I personally like to use it like a seasoning to add savoriness to my cooking.

Re:What Soldiers Eat, By Country by elblanco on Sunday September 05, 2010 @11:06PM (#1665730)
Vegemite is similar to Marmite that's common in Britain and former colonies. It's loaded with vitamins that can be hard to get in certain situations (like when meat is short).

It tastes like a combination of steak, Guinness and soy sauce.

Re:What Soldiers Eat, By Country by dazzawazza on Monday September 06, 2010 @07:05AM (#1666428)
> It tastes like a combination of steak, Guinness and soy sauce.

That's amazingly accurate except its like a thousand steaks, 1000 pints of Guinness and 1000 litres of soy sauce in a 200ml jar.

It's impossible to get over how intense the taste is. Even a wafer thin coating of it is too much on toast.