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Re:Higher education bubble poised to burst by orangecat on Sunday September 05, 2010 @06:39PM (#1665334)
I don't buy this at all. One of the must important skills for any industry is the ability to effectively communicate, and almost everyone that goes through college gets better at this.

Sure, but is it really necessary to take on tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to develop those skills?

Re:Higher education bubble poised to burst by jshen on Sunday September 05, 2010 @06:56PM (#1665366)
I took on zero debt. I went to community college in ca which was $11 a unit, now I believe it is about $25 per unit. Then I went to a state school which was about 8 grand a year. I worked the whole time I was in school and paid for it myself.
Re:Higher education bubble poised to burst by achompas on Sunday September 05, 2010 @09:51PM (#1665619)
Congrats on getting through at such a low cost--it's really hard to attend nowadays without taking on so much debt. You have to know, though, that you (and I) are in a small minority of students today.

And that's the article's point: college is so damn expensive now, almost everyone has to take on debt to pay tuition. The undergrad experience is badass, but it's also fraught with problems:

-- Students are asked to choose a major (and thus, by implication, a career) before they turn 21. If they choose incorrectly and need a different degree, the costs are astronomical.

-- Non-engineering classes are completely bunk until about the third year. Before then it's mainly "weed-out" courses which teach students little or overload them with work.

-- The cheapest (public) schools also have the largest classrooms. You pay less in tuition, but quality of education suffers.

We ask students to decide on a career during a transitional phase in their lives, in an economy where no one works in the same field for more than a decade, and then charge them $50k in the process? That's just unfair.

Re:Higher education bubble poised to burst by jshen on Sunday September 05, 2010 @10:10PM (#1665643)
One of the reasons it's expensive is that it doesn't get cheaper with technology in its current form. Good professors rightly have a high and often rising salary and students and parents want small class sizes.

We also know that the gap in income between those with a higher education and those without is increasing significantly.

1 + 1 = 2

Re:Higher education bubble poised to burst by ant5 on Monday September 06, 2010 @12:20AM (#1665849)
We also know that the gap in income between those with a higher education and those without is increasing significantly.

There's an unaccounted for correlation between the accessibility of higher education and general life opportunities.

Re:Higher education bubble poised to burst by jshen on Monday September 06, 2010 @12:27AM (#1665862)
I can't reply to the person that replied to my above comment so I'm doing it here.

My point was about the widening of the income gap, the correlation you speak of doesn't explain the widening of the gap.

Re:Higher education bubble poised to burst by achompas on Sunday September 05, 2010 @09:45PM (#1665609)
Don't know why you were downvoted--you make a great point here.

You can pick up the same communication skills if you worked during the day (and partied at night) during those 4 years. By doing both you're learning to socialize and communicate with coworkers.

Re:Higher education bubble poised to burst by jshen on Sunday September 05, 2010 @10:11PM (#1665647)
Um, no you can't.