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Re:YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including ch... by matwood on Thursday March 22, 2018 @09:28AM (#16648435)
I understand your points and agree that it is our right currently as an American to own a gun. I'm not afraid of guns and grew up around them, although I do not own any today. The problem I have is equating guns to cars or any other weapon. Just owning a gun means you are more likely to be injured or killed in a gun related incident[1].

Guns are an immediate force multiplier that can cause a lot of injury with little planning. Guns make it easy for someone who has a brief thought of suicide, anger, or stupidity to act on that thought with irreversible consequences. While in high school, one friend committed suicide with their family's gun. Another person I know was shot because their friend was playing around with a gun.

I think only when both sides can agree that a) guns will likely never be banned and b) yes, guns are dangerous and require more regulation that we currently have, will we get anywhere. Until then people will just talk past each other.

[1] This is based on older studies at this point because the NRA has made it impossible to get funding to study gun violence.

Re:YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including ch... by DINKDINK on Thursday March 22, 2018 @10:35AM (#16648987)
>Just owning a gun means you are more likely to be injured or killed in a gun related incident[1].

Correlation does not equal causation. Wet streets do not cause rain. Until you provide a study that shows a baseline population and another who are given a treatment (say "here's a free gun that you weren't going to buy on your own") and compare the results, the null hypothesis is not broken.

Re:YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including ch... by matwood on Thursday March 22, 2018 @11:00AM (#16649193)
I would love to provide more studies. As I said in my original comment, the NRA has made it nearly impossible to fund gun violence studies.

Plus giving people guns who do not want them is bordering on unethical since if the study shows as is already implied it means that person may be hurt or killed.

Re:YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including ch... by DINKDINK on Thursday March 22, 2018 @11:53AM (#16649668)
>impossible to fund gun violence studies.

How is the NRA stopping anyone from funding studies?

>study shows as is already implied it means that person may be hurt or killed

Your arguments are epistemologically broken. Would giving, low-blood-pressure people, blood-pressure regulating medication suddenly make them have high blood pressure? No. Wet streets do not cause rain

Re:YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including ch... by matwood on Thursday March 22, 2018 @01:51PM (#16650923)
I incorrectly assumed anyone discussing gun violence would know about the Dickey Amendment: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickey_Amendment_(1996)

My arguments are not broken at all. To do the type of control you suggested above would mean putting guns in homes of people who would otherwise not have one. Previous studies have showed that owning a gun increases the odds of injury by gun. Putting subjects at that sort of risk for a perfect control study absolutely has ethical implications.

Re:YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including ch... by DINKDINK on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @05:15PM (#16692778)
The Dickey Amendment does not prevent individuals from funding studies. Start a community-donation campaign to fund such a study, you cannot be stopped.

>Previous studies have showed that owning a gun increases the odds of injury by gun

No they haven't. The studies show that people who own guns have higher likelihood of being injured. It does not show that owning a gun /increases/ odds of injury.

Places that have wet streets have a higher likelihood of it raining recently. Does that mean that wet streets cause rain?

You are assuming that the non-gun-owning population and the gun-owning population are the same. This is illogical. Perhaps it's the case that people who buy guys are just generally risk takers/more reckless than the general population (which is reasonable given that they're purchasing a gun in the first place). The problem with your logic is that its vulnerable to Simpson's Paradox[1]

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson%27s_paradox

Re:YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including ch... by vsl on Friday March 23, 2018 @01:51AM (#16655432)
Let me rephrase the parent:

How is the NRA stopping anyone other than the government from funding studies?