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Re:Zuckerberg on Cambridge Analytica situation by detaro on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @05:33PM (#16642623)
> No authorization was required - they gave them free, full access to the entire social graph

Source? All I can find is a scheme where they prompted people to sign in to a campaign site and grabbed the friend data that way. Icky as hell, but it's not obvious why that's "even worse" than CA.

Re:Zuckerberg on Cambridge Analytica situation by mirimir on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @06:04PM (#16642865)
It does seem like the Obama campaigns got preferential access to Facebook data. Data for even more people than CA got. And perhaps the Clinton campaign did as well, or at least got access to the older data.

What distinguishes CA and the Trump campaign is how well the data was used. CA staff apparently just did a better job at using the data to manipulate people. Their canvassing app. Using bots on Facebook and Twitter. Plus entrepreneurs from Eastern Europe or whatever. And maybe they went further, discouraging potential Clinton and Sanders supporters fron voting.

But anyway, the key point isn't whether CA or Obama/Clinton got more data from Facebook, or whether Facebook willingly helped Obama/Clinton. The key point is how well voters can now be manipulated. It's another level in the problem that money buys political power. And it's arguably how AI could do the same.

Re:Zuckerberg on Cambridge Analytica situation by illumin8 on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @07:21PM (#16643401)
There's a lot of bad information in this thread.

https://twitter.com/mbsimon/status/975231597183229953

"I ran the Obama 2008 data-driven microtargeting team. How dare you! We didn’t steal private Facebook profile data from voters under false pretenses. OFA voluntarily solicited opinions of hundreds of thousands of voters. We didn’t commit theft to do our groundbreaking work."

Re:Zuckerberg on Cambridge Analytica situation by sverige on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @07:47PM (#16643623)
Here's Obama's 2012 campaign manager discussing this. They did it different four years later, and Facebook had four more years of data and tens of millions more users at that point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A

Re:Zuckerberg on Cambridge Analytica situation by downandout on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @07:35PM (#16643512)
It's actually not such bad info [1] (from Carol Davidsen, Obama's former campaign manager). The guy you quote certainly has the opinion that it was OK to access and use the data of 190 MILLION people for political purposes, only 1 million of whom explicitly authorized him to do so, but I'm guessing that the majority of those 190 million people would vehemently disagree with him.

https://twitter.com/cld276/status/975568130117459975

Re:Zuckerberg on Cambridge Analytica situation by downandout on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @06:20PM (#16642962)
CA staff apparently just did a better job at using the data to manipulate people.

I've seen no hard data showing that any of this did Trump any good. Apparently not a single study has been done as to whether people either failed to vote or changed their vote based upon fake news or the use of this data.

Re:Zuckerberg on Cambridge Analytica situation by mirimir on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @06:39PM (#16643084)
I haven't either. My opinion is based on my own anecdotal observations, and news coverage, both of which may be biased.

I do follow fringes of online anarchism and anomie, and I was surprised to see so much support for Trump, when the polls were showing him so far down. And much of that support was so odd that I thought it ironic. But whatever.

I'd like to see such a study, for sure. But I'm not optimistic. Arguably, many who voted for Trump would be no more forthcoming to researchers than they were to those doing the election polling. There's just too much polarization, I suspect.

Re:Zuckerberg on Cambridge Analytica situation by downandout on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @05:43PM (#16642693)
For starters, they accessed 4X the number of profiles that CA did. I have edited my comment, however, because it appears that they did (just like CA) have an app that they used. Except they used it, as one Obama campaign manager put it, to "suck out the whole social graph" of voters in the US, and Facebook "was surprised, but didn't stop [them] once they realized they were doing it".

By the way, this is something that would have been stopped on any other app long before they ever accessed 190 million profiles. So Facebook essentially gave them the entire US social graph, that they wouldn't have allowed any other app with only 1 million users to have.