> Why are you baiting another pointless US vs China nationalism faceoff?

That was not my intention. Instead, my implication was that the dismissal of China's progress that you see in HN was entirely motivated by nationalism, not objective analysis of the facts. If you were trying to objectively analyze of the facts the rational conclusion should be "this is really complex, who knows how it's going to turn out."

HN has a very strong USA (and in particular silicon valley) bias but I take offense at your generalization. I don't recall ever seeing a thread where the comments were unilateral china-bashing.

People would discuss facts if China was more open.

Are there some facts that you'd like access to that you don't? Give me specifics.