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Re:IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple by jedberg on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @05:06PM (#16632660)
> Does Apple really think that it would be better to outsource cloud services to IBM than develop their own? To me, it looks like Apple lacks confidence in their own internal abilities, and that’s not a good look.

I think it's a good move. At the very least, they can learn a bit from someone else on how to run a cloud service.

Let me ask you this -- if you didn't already have the Apple hardware that was integrated with iCloud et al, would you pay money to use any of the Apple internet services? Like if they build Windows clients and you had Windows, would you pay to use any of their services?

I can't think of a single Apple service I would pay for if I wasn't on Apple hardware. And even worse, despite the free services from Apple, I will pay to use competitors that offer a worse integration, just to not use the Apple services.

Re:IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple by ninkendo on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @05:32PM (#16632890)
I think you're missing the point of Apple's cloud services.

They exist exactly and only to make the user experience of their devices better. They don't make sense outside the Apple ecosystem, and that's how I imagine it's intended to be.

I have a mac and an iPhone and an iPad and I just want to be able to text my wife on any of them and have it work. That means contacts need to be synced, and there needs to be an answer for how the messages are synced between devices. Same with notes/calendars/etc. iCloud is hiding beneath all of it, and the whole point is that you don't see it, you just see your contacts list works everywhere you look.

Re:IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple by awakeasleep on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @05:19PM (#16632775)
The user experiences of Notes and Contacts are both perfect, and they're an enormous part of what I do with a computing device
Re:IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple by tomduncalf on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @06:04PM (#16633153)
Agreed, Notes is now fully featured enough that it’s the only app I use for any kind of note taking.
Re:IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple by mark_l_watson on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @09:12PM (#16634420)
How do you backup Apple Notes? I reluctantly stopped using Notes because there is no easy way to back up all Notes.
Re:IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple by Moto7451 on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @09:55PM (#16634657)
They backup to iCloud. Just toggle the sync on in th iCloud preferences on your Mac/iDevice.
Re:IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple by mark_l_watson on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @08:18AM (#16637369)
But the format is opaque. I would like to archive as html, pdf, etc. - and not by saving them one at a time.
Re:IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple by tinus_hn on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @08:49PM (#16644300)
Backup is not archive.
Re:IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple by inferiorhuman on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @12:47AM (#16635542)
FWIW Notes can store its data on any IMAP server.
Re:IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple by moonlighter on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @09:56PM (#16634667)
Time Machine backs them up, as well as iCloud.
Re:IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple by threeseed on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @07:16PM (#16633713)
I would absolutely pay for Music, Messages, Notes and iCloud Desktop.

The alternatives do lack a number of features.

Re:IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple by brokencode on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @05:23PM (#16632809)
I agree completely that Apple’s cloud services aren’t very compelling right now. I’m just worried that they are trying to use IBM’s cloud instead of building out their own capabilities.

If they are going to improve integration with third party services, I would love to have better integration with Google’s services, not IBM’s..