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Re:Police Say Uber Is Likely Not at Fault for Self-Driving C... by ronilan on Monday March 19, 2018 @09:33PM (#16625208)
There can be several ways to explain this but generally speaking you are right.

It shouldn’t go over the speed limit, and under no circumstances should it take the liberty drivers usually take of being within 10% above the limit.

I hope no one wrote it that way.

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Re:Police Say Uber Is Likely Not at Fault for Self-Driving C... by emodendroket on Monday March 19, 2018 @09:38PM (#16625246)
I don't think that's true at all. There was an article posted about the subject a while ago, but the thrust of it was that researchers think they need to do more to make cars behave like (fully attentive) human drivers rather than being weird anomalies that behave in surprising/irritating (to humans) ways if they're going to actually go on the road, and I think that's completely right.
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Re:Police Say Uber Is Likely Not at Fault for Self-Driving C... by BillTheBiker on Monday March 19, 2018 @11:46PM (#16625892)
"(fully attentive) human drivers" probably cause deadly accidents every day, and they certainly behave in surprising/irritating ways. Anyways, a human driver going the speed limit is no hazard, so I fail to see how having self-driving cars follow the limits could be a problem.
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Re:Police Say Uber Is Likely Not at Fault for Self-Driving C... by emodendroket on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @06:27AM (#16627259)
Autonomous cars need to share the road with human drivers, so they should not behave in a way that is surprising to humans, to the extent possible.
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Re:Police Say Uber Is Likely Not at Fault for Self-Driving C... by CamperBob2 on Monday March 19, 2018 @10:19PM (#16625476)
Why not? The range between 1-10 MPH over the speed limit is statistically the safest. (Yes, I know, good luck finding a citation for a study I read 20 years ago...) It's hard to argue against the notion that you're safest when you keep up with prevailing traffic. That means that self-driving cars shouldn't be programmed to go slower.

Speed limits are usually too low. Often they have nothing to do with engineering or safety considerations, but are primarily revenue-oriented. If the advent of autonomous vehicles forces regulators to listen to the engineers for a change, that will be an unalloyed Good Thing.

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Re:Police Say Uber Is Likely Not at Fault for Self-Driving C... by URSpider94 on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @03:32AM (#16626585)
Man, sorry for the downvotes. This link -> http://www.lsp.org/pdf/troopc85thSpeed.pdf doesn't include any references, unfortunately, but the statements are that:

-- 55% of drivers regularly exceed the speed limit, meaning that the speed limit represents the 45th percentile speed

-- driving between the 50th and 90th percentile speeds is the safest

Taken together, driving at the speed limit is significantly unsafe.

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Re:Police Say Uber Is Likely Not at Fault for Self-Driving C... by CamperBob2 on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @06:33PM (#16633417)
Man, sorry for the downvotes.

You have to remember that many people on here probably don't own a car, or necessarily even hold a driver's license. They most likely either live at home or at school, or take a bus to work (NTTAWWT).

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Re:Police Say Uber Is Likely Not at Fault for Self-Driving C... by chopin on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @08:28AM (#16627901)
As far as I understand your comment, driving at the speed limit is unsafe because everybody is speeding. Sounds like a self-fulfilling thing. Maybe it would be even safer if the majority would obey the speed limit?
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Re:Police Say Uber Is Likely Not at Fault for Self-Driving C... by URSpider94 on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @09:42AM (#16628437)
Did you read the link I posted? Theres lots of empirical data out there that says that drivers drive the same speed on a road, regardless of the posted limit. That speed is based on their judgment of the road - sight lines, shoulder width, sharpness of curves, etc.
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Re:Police Say Uber Is Likely Not at Fault for Self-Driving C... by TheCoelacanth on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @03:10PM (#16631607)
People speed because of poor road design and poor enforcement of speed limits.
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Re:Police Say Uber Is Likely Not at Fault for Self-Driving C... by CamperBob2 on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @07:11PM (#16633687)
Just curious (and not trying to challenge or be confrontational), how long have you held a driver's license?
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Re:Police Say Uber Is Likely Not at Fault for Self-Driving C... by CamperBob2 on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @06:30PM (#16633394)
And the idea that the speed limit itself is the problem... is there any room in your worldview for that possibility?

Why not lower it to 5 MPH on a nationwide basis? Think of all the lives that would save!

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Re:Police Say Uber Is Likely Not at Fault for Self-Driving C... by jschwartzi on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @06:57AM (#16627411)
Speed limits in cities and residential areas may also be set to reduce road noise in the neighborhood.
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