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Re:Lithuanian is riddled with references to bees by henrikschroder on Monday March 19, 2018 @08:22PM (#16624783)
Noa-names are fascinating, the flipside to true names being taboo, because they would summon the thing.

Indo-european had a word for bear, but it's completely eradicated in germanic languages, and replaced with the noa-name: Bear. The brown one. The original rtko/arktos/ursus never made it.

Wolf works the same way in Swedish, the common word is "varg", which is a noa-name meaning cattle-killer. Ulv, derived from ulfr/wulf/vlk exists and means the same thing, but it's archaic.

Re:Lithuanian is riddled with references to bees by Broken_Hippo on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @06:06AM (#16627190)
"Ulv, derived from ulfr/wulf/vlk exists and means the same thing, but it's archaic."

Though it might be archaic in Swedish, but it is also the Norwegian word for wolf. I'd guess that it is really easy to adapt the archaic Swedish word if the person has lived or spent a lot of time in Norway.

Re:Lithuanian is riddled with references to bees by henrikschroder on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @04:44PM (#16632433)
Yes, most Swedes will understand "ulv" as well, but it's associated with stories for children from long ago, if that makes sense. It exists in expressions and derived words, so "werewolf" is "varulv", and "a wolf in sheep's clothing" is "en ulv i fårakläder", for example.

So the word is still there, it's not completely taboo like the original word for bear.

Re:Lithuanian is riddled with references to bees by portofcall on Monday March 19, 2018 @08:29PM (#16624817)
I’ve never heard of a noa-name, and my attempts to Google frustratingly return only meanings of the name Noa. Do you have any good starting points for me to learn about this? It’s so very up my alley, and I’d love to learn more.
Re:Lithuanian is riddled with references to bees by scrumper on Monday March 19, 2018 @08:42PM (#16624894)
'Noa' is a Polynesian term apparently; basically it's the opposite of 'taboo' (also Polynesian.)

It's not on the face of it a very confidence-inspiring source, but r/askhistorians is as good as Reddit gets, and the poster here wrote an actual book on the subject. Give it a read: https://thingsonreddit.com/things/13812/comments/

Re:Lithuanian is riddled with references to bees by portofcall on Monday March 19, 2018 @08:45PM (#16624900)
I love /r/askhistorians, they have fantastic contributions and moderation. Thanks very much for this.
Re:Lithuanian is riddled with references to bees by henrikschroder on Monday March 19, 2018 @09:20PM (#16625109)
Yeah, I tried a quick googling for it as well, and got buried in resources about the name Noah instead.

I thought it would be more wide-spread, but there's wikipedia pages for it in Swedish, Norwegian and Iceland at least:

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noaord

Re:Lithuanian is riddled with references to bees by portofcall on Monday March 19, 2018 @09:22PM (#16625126)
Fortunately Google translate does a good job with that, thanks very much. I really love learning about new quirks of language.

I’ve read it now, and that’s so cool. It also cam with some good references I’m going to get into now. Thanks again. :)

Re:Lithuanian is riddled with references to bees by w0land on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @02:10PM (#16631027)
Interesting. Albanian here, your examples in our language are:

Bear: Ari Wolf: Ujk