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Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by c22 on Monday March 19, 2018 @02:30PM (#16621511)
No human driver will ever receive the same input twice, but we still suspend people's licenses sometimes after a single incident. Are you arguing that we need to let Uber kill a few more pedestrians so we can more accurately determine the safety of their platform vis a vis human drivers? Why can't they fabricate some tests that demonstrate their safety in a controlled environment first?
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by kerkeslager on Monday March 19, 2018 @02:48PM (#16621749)
> Are you arguing that we need to let Uber kill a few more pedestrians so we can more accurately determine the safety of their platform vis a vis human drivers?

Are you making accusations in question form so you don't have to back them up? I certainly didn't say that.

> Why can't they fabricate some tests that demonstrate their safety in a controlled environment first?

Are you assuming they haven't done this?

Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by danso on Monday March 19, 2018 @04:09PM (#16622605)
I'll admit that I'm of the GP's mind in wanting to know what you consider to be "evidence". Because you keep reiterating this sentiment:

> I'm not saying that autonomous vehicles are safer, I'm saying this isn't evidence that autonomous vehicles are less safe.

It's true that we need to wait for more information about this particular incident -- which is exactly the caveat that the commenter you initially responded to had said [0]. But assuming the facts aren't abnormally different than what they seem to be -- an Uber AV hit and killed a jaywalker, how is that not evidence toward the argument that AVs are less safe? It obviously isn't conclusive evidence. But if Uber goes on to kill a pedestrian for every million miles driven, this first data point would surely be part of the empirical evidence, no?

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16620042

Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by c22 on Monday March 19, 2018 @05:07PM (#16623181)
> Are you making accusations in question form so you don't have to back them up? I certainly didn't say that.

Nope, I'm just having trouble grokking your argument and I thought that might be it. It's true I added a rhetorical edge to the language that was probably unnecessary. I apologize for that--I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. What is your argument?