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Re:Rising Anxiety Among American Whites by meri_dian on Sunday March 18, 2018 @05:49PM (#16614618)
The effect of one's culture and surroundings changing will naturally be anxiety. Consider a proud ethno-cultural place like Iran or Japan. If a large number of non-persian or non-japanese people began moving into each of those respective countries, the result would be anxiety among the established majority.

Similarly, it's really just a natural human response that people of European descent are experiencing anxiety in their native countries when faced with large scale migration.

I think that a lot of people are unwilling to give sympathy to Europeans because of the recent history of European colonization across the world.

But it's not some failing of white people in particular that they in some cases may have anxiety about their communities changing. It's just a result of the human condition, human social behavior. As such they do deserve sympathy. Just like the hypothetical Iranians or Japanese in my prior example.

Re:Rising Anxiety Among American Whites by KingMob on Sunday March 18, 2018 @06:50PM (#16614967)
While you can argue that racism is universal, that doesn't excuse anyone for racist behavior, whether they're Japanese, Iranian, or American.

If you examine "may have anxiety about their communities changing", it clearly implies they think non-whites are changing their community for the worse. It also implies the community belongs to the whites, and they get to define it.

Alternatively, they could (but don't) view their community as something they share, becoming more diverse, more interesting, more inclusive, etc.

Re:Rising Anxiety Among American Whites by whatyoucantsay on Sunday March 18, 2018 @07:07PM (#16615042)
Tribalism is a part of human nature and you engage in it, too.

It's not pretty in any circumstance.

Re:Rising Anxiety Among American Whites by meri_dian on Sunday March 18, 2018 @07:18PM (#16615091)
Your assumptions about me are wrong.

It doesn't matter how the change manifests itself. People often dislike change, especially of communities they are familiar with.

Hence my point that it's not a problem with white people, but rather a condition of human beings. If a community of majority Latinos became subject to sudden white immigration, I'm sure there would be a certain amount of anxiety on the part of the original residents. I can understand and sympathize with these anxieties though.

Can you?

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Re:Rising Anxiety Among American Whites by Id15eba6u on Sunday March 18, 2018 @07:16PM (#16615083)
How did they not deserve the privilege? Did they not work for it?
Re:Rising Anxiety Among American Whites by krapp on Sunday March 18, 2018 @07:38PM (#16615187)
If I rob a bank, does that mean I deserve to keep the money?
Re:Rising Anxiety Among American Whites by meri_dian on Sunday March 18, 2018 @09:03PM (#16615480)
Almost all cultures and societies on Earth are living on land that once belonged to another group of people.

According to you, no one on Earth deserves to keep anything they have, because their ancestors took it from someone else.

Re:Rising Anxiety Among American Whites by specializeded on Sunday March 18, 2018 @07:46PM (#16615220)
And if so, if the bank takes it back is it wrong?
Re:Rising Anxiety Among American Whites by whatyoucantsay on Sunday March 18, 2018 @07:21PM (#16615105)
You're literally advocating non-empathy for a large group of people due to their heritage. You can't simply divide people into groups based on immutable characteristics and decide who does and does not deserve sympathy.

Punishing a person for perceived faults of their ancestors is a recipe for ethnic conflict and racism.

Re:Rising Anxiety Among American Whites by krapp on Sunday March 18, 2018 @07:36PM (#16615170)
>You're literally advocating non-empathy for a large group of people due to their heritage. You can't simply divide people into groups based on immutable characteristics and decide who does and does not deserve sympathy.

No, I'm advocating non-empathy for people who lack empathy for others. Fear of the presence of other ethnicities and of their cultural influence is not an immutable characteristic of the European genotype.

Re:Rising Anxiety Among American Whites by whatyoucantsay on Sunday March 18, 2018 @07:52PM (#16615237)
From over here in Asia, your comments are both non-empathatic and dangerous.

Best of luck with your "non-empathy" approach, but I suspect it will make things worse for you.

Re:Rising Anxiety Among American Whites by krapp on Sunday March 18, 2018 @08:10PM (#16615301)
I'll cop to the lack of empathy, obviously, but I don't see how it's dangerous to not feel sorry that a formerly privileged group is now slightly less privileged.

And I'm not in Asia, so... fair enough?

Re:Rising Anxiety Among American Whites by whatyoucantsay on Sunday March 18, 2018 @08:41PM (#16615406)
It's natural to think this way and it's a struggle to overcome it.

People are not only members of "groups" that you chose for them based on their race, sex, country, etc. Each person deserves dignity as a human. Even if their ancestors and yours were enemies, it's not right to use tribal affiliation to judge them. Doing this promotes conflict and eventually violence.

A group is made up of many people and deciding how much "privilege" a group has is like asking the temperature of Europe. You can use math to average, but that doesn't mean much to a person in Turkey or a person in Norway.

Re:Rising Anxiety Among American Whites by krapp on Monday March 19, 2018 @07:12AM (#16617545)
Yet here we are, discussing an article which frames the effects of globalism, automation and the economic collapse of Middle America explicitly in terms of a crisis of white identity.

If this same article were written about "rising anxiety among American blacks," many of the people insisting that we understand and respect the plight of the white rural male and recognize how justifiable their anger is, would denounce it as racist and ask what being black has to do with anything.

I can have sympathy for the poor, for the downtrodden and oppressed, but I can't have sympathy for someone who feels the mere presence of other races is a threat to their identity.

Re:Rising Anxiety Among American Whites by meri_dian on Sunday March 18, 2018 @07:50PM (#16615234)
It's not that they don't have empathy though. It's that they are uncomfortable with their communities changing, regardless of how that change manifests itself.

And they feel this way because they are human beings, not because they are morally callous.

Re:Rising Anxiety Among American Whites by meri_dian on Sunday March 18, 2018 @07:09PM (#16615054)
People dislike gentrification in part because it displaces established communities. People don't gain or lose the right to sympathy because they are a majority or minority group. They are human beings regardless.
Re:Rising Anxiety Among American Whites by krapp on Sunday March 18, 2018 @07:20PM (#16615104)
Their culture isn't changing. They're still American, they're still white, they're still Christian, probably. The only change is their relative status amongst an already heterogeneous population, and the assumption that their point of view represents the "default" (and therefore most correct) American identity.
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Re:Rising Anxiety Among American Whites by Knufen on Sunday March 18, 2018 @06:52PM (#16614972)
You have made no argument and are not really helping your cause. Please refrain from name calling, over generalization and ad hominems.
Re:Rising Anxiety Among American Whites by praulv on Sunday March 18, 2018 @07:36PM (#16615173)
At what point does identifying and labelling an ideologically driven argument devoid of any rational substance class as "name calling". Clearly the poster is parroting views consistent with identity politics and I was merely pointing out the blaring lack of propositional logic.
Re:Rising Anxiety Among American Whites by gt_ on Sunday March 18, 2018 @06:44PM (#16614937)
So far, you haven’t displaced, or even responded to the claims so much as expressed something along the lines of a threat, a type of discussion that is much more offensive in my view.
Re:Rising Anxiety Among American Whites by praulv on Sunday March 18, 2018 @07:41PM (#16615199)
I do not tolerate nor deem the claims worthy of a response. There must be a minimum acceptable level of intellectual debate which warrants engagement. The poster is incapable of providing any form of evidence and hence such laziness must be punished to enforce quality of debate in the wider interests of human progress.